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    Quote Originally Posted by D Armstrong View Post
    Oho! Now the pieces fall into place. You see, people on FPN are openly scared of even speaking the Isaacson name, for fear of being banned. Now, I agree that any porn-image swapping is dirty pool. But a Stalinesque culture is worse.

    And commerce is good! I do it myself. But it is an increasing presence on FPN. If it was just there, like all the other forums, that would be fine. But it is in plain sight, while being trumpeted as being a negative influence. And while there is talk of covering hosting fees, there is never any evidence of the actual numbers. If each member bought just one $5 badge, once, how much money would someone have in a bank account? $200,000? That's not small change, for a very small transaction. If that is how much it takes to run the board, fine. But until I see the numbers, I reserve both judgement and the right to be cynical.

    My Junius quote has been there since I created my account, and is something I honestly love. I didn't just trot it out for this occasion. Life is too short to live it in fear of bullies. Or to waste it on negative relationships. When I read JBB's post, my heart went out to her, because she didn't deserve what she has gotten.

    My post is mostly just observations and logic. I don't like heavy-handed moderation tactics, and I say that as someone who has moderated forums for years, and dealt with my fair share of loonies in doing so. If people are scared, they won't stay. And if they smell something fishy, they won't stay. And if the site is down because of a mod war they won't stay. And if they are flashed by porn they won't stay (I was yesterday, at about 4 pm. And It was a link from within the temporary place-holder page, which calls into question the whole DNS-server thing, because that is a top-level re-direction. But I digress.)

    Shawn, I know that you have invested a lot in FPN over the years, and I have always appreciated your postings and enthusiastic input. And I was glad to see you made a moderator because of your positive personality. I do hope that FPN can get itself together and be a happy place again. But you have to be realistic.

    PS David I., you are a very bad boy!
    I need to jump in here to clarify something even though I'm late to a party
    that's been over for some time. I'm not one of those that was afraid to mention David I's name--I just didn't
    find mentioning anything about him significant or important. I find him inwardly little and as controlling as the
    one running FPN.

    Guess that'll keep me off FPB......not that I planned to join anyway.


    John

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    Having posted on PFN, FPB and here the level of moderation on Geeks and FPB is far less than FPN. David has an amazing depth of knowledge that deserves respect ,whether you like him at a personal level or not, and a willingly to shares that which I think an admirable trait. Really I don't think your opinions of him would keep you off FPB, that's your personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79spitfire View Post
    For me the irony of 'no religious' references, is it becomes almost a religion or 'crusade' in it self, eliminating all references to religion. Faith is a part of the human condition, faith in a greater being or faith in a lack thereof. Humans do and have done horrible things to each other, and it will likely continue.

    I may get in trouble for this, I also find it hypocritical, when they dash some references and allow others. I find the same with political subjects, allowing some and not others. I understand they are polarizing subjects, and can cause heated debates, but letting one slide and another pass when the rules clearly state 'NO' is just not cool.
    If one doesn't have faith in God,then one has only faith in themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D Armstrong View Post
    Oho! Now the pieces fall into place. You see, people on FPN are openly scared of even speaking the Isaacson name, for fear of being banned. Now, I agree that any porn-image swapping is dirty pool.
    Tactic 3 from the LDM: Straw Man.

    Clarification for those ignorant of the implication attempted.

    Whether or not porn swapping is dirty pool (one can weigh pros and cons), since that has not happened with FPN, it is an attempt at diversion to address it as if it does matter. Thus, Tactic 3.

    As to the postulated fear-- vs, say, entertaining tribute-- in the notion of "fear of speaking the name of the Dark Lord".... I truly am honored

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Armstrong View Post

    PS David I., you are a very bad boy!
    I am honored to have influenced your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumgaikid View Post
    I need to jump in here to clarify something even though I'm late to a party
    that's been over for some time. I'm not one of those that was afraid to mention David I's name--I just didn't
    find mentioning anything about him significant or important. I find him inwardly little and as controlling as the
    one running FPN.

    Guess that'll keep me off FPB......not that I planned to join anyway.
    Tactic 33 from the LDM: "Pull the Passive Agressive thing".

    Excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumgaikid View Post

    [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=2]I need to jump in here to clarify something even though I'm late to a party
    that's been over for some time. I'm not one of those that was afraid to mention David I's name--I just didn't
    find mentioning anything about him significant or important. I find him inwardly little and as controlling as the
    one running FPN.

    Guess that'll keep me off FPB......not that I planned to join anyway.


    John
    OK. Let's see:


    I'm not one of those that was afraid to mention David I's name
    Is anyone, really? It's not good to be too concrete, son.

    I just didn't find mentioning anything about him significant or important.
    That you appear nonetheless to have wrestled with it...

    I find him inwardly little
    Tactic 1 from the Losing Debater's Manual: Ad Hominem Insult

    Tactic 5 from the Losing Debater's Manual: The Telepath

    and as controlling as the one running FPN.
    Tactic 7 (iirc) from the LDM: Unsupportable Assertion.

    Too, that borders again on Tactic 1, Ad Hominem Insult.

    Given how this thread has outlined "controlling" behavior from those who run FPN, all appearances would suggest that Isaacson engages in none of that at FPB, and that FPB (as with FPG) is a much different place to play. No thread has been invisibled (save for 1, accidentally deleted during an editing attempt, with public apologies given by the Board), and no thread ever has been closed. No one has ever been suspended or banned for saying anything about Isaacson or the Board, either on the FPB site or elsewhere, again unlike the behavior of those who run FPN regarding those who comment either there or even elsewhere about it or its managers. Again, unlike FPN, FPB has no language filters.

    Your turn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HughC View Post
    Having posted on PFN, FPB and here the level of moderation on Geeks and FPB is far less than FPN. David has an amazing depth of knowledge that deserves respect ,whether you like him at a personal level or not, and a willingly to shares that which I think an admirable trait. Really I don't think your opinions of him would keep you off FPB, that's your personal choice.

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    In a PM to another member,I made a point of noting
    that David's wisdom of vintage pens is admirable--his juvenile use of
    debate tactics to come out on top isn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sumgaikid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HughC View Post
    Having posted on PFN, FPB and here the level of moderation on Geeks and FPB is far less than FPN. David has an amazing depth of knowledge that deserves respect ,whether you like him at a personal level or not, and a willingly to shares that which I think an admirable trait. Really I don't think your opinions of him would keep you off FPB, that's your personal choice.

    Regards
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    In a PM to another member,I made a point of noting
    that David's wisdom of vintage pens is admirable--his juvenile use of
    debate tactics to come out on top isn't.


    John
    Tactic 1 from the LDM: "When you have lost on points of substance, attempt to divert with personal Ad Hominem insult".

    There are two examples in John's quote, although the second cross-plays with Tactic 5, the Telepath: "When you have lost a discussion on points of substance, profess insight into your opponents thoughts, psyche, character and... go figure... find them to be... bad"

    Notice too, John's lack of attempt to refute any issues i cited in my prior response regarding differences between FPB and FPN. The silence is deafening.... and telling. When you see people use Tactics from the LDM, when you see them then complain that they are being called out for using such tactics, and when you don't see them offer issues-oriented positions...

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    There also was the "Drunken Lord" of usenet fame (alt.collecting.pens-pencils) who used to really go to town in his posts. Some of the posts were pretty funny in the raw, attacking sort of way. There was a time when mentioning "Drunken Lord" would raise eyebrows over at FPN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray-VIgo View Post
    There also was the "Drunken Lord" of usenet fame (alt.collecting.pens-pencils) who used to really go to town in his posts. Some of the posts were pretty funny in the raw, attacking sort of way. There was a time when mentioning "Drunken Lord" would raise eyebrows over at FPN.
    It's nice to know there are still some of us who recall alt.collecting.pens-pencils

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    I'm assuming the dude became drunk with power and over-monitored the boards?
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    The Drunken Lord was the funniest thing to happen to pens and the internet.

    EDIT: Here is a classic archived thread on alt collecting pens with some classic The Drunken Lord in it.

    http://alt.collecting.pens-pencils.n...qrXvXx/venting
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    Quote Originally Posted by david i View Post
    It's nice to know there are still some of us who recall alt.collecting.pens-pencils
    Every time I think about it, I remember the discussions with Frank Dubiel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deirdre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by david i View Post
    It's nice to know there are still some of us who recall alt.collecting.pens-pencils
    Every time I think about it, I remember the discussions with Frank Dubiel.
    I still very much miss him. Good times. He'd have fun with current style pen boards I suspect.

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    Thumbs up Re: What is up with FPN?

    http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...4#entry2861763

    Congratulations to the winners.. You've just won the "Less moderated scummy sites" award

    Congrats, scumbags!

    PS: Don't hold it against him. I just found his comment amusing, that's all. I love this place, but that doesn't mean that I go on hating other joints.
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    So if I follow what seems to have happened in apparently deleted posts is several participants resorted to name calling and got the post off track resulting in a closed but edited thread.

    Seems to me this says more about the posters than it does the board, this board, or any moderators here or there.

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    I agree and won't get my feathers ruffled just because someone calls this site scummy.
    The post (#100 on that thread) in question does not appear to have been deleted or edited, by the way.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I move easily between both sites. It's too bad when someone has to use this kind of language or indeed any kind of extreme emotion. They're forums. I don't find these kinds of people really represent either forum. What they do represent is the attitude of a single poster.

    It's wonderful that there are two healthy forums to discuss a writing instrument that has largely fallen into disuse.

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    If it isn't at least a little scummy, you're not on the internet...

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