Fast drying, waterproof ink

[stevekolt]

I am looking for a (very) fast drying, waterproof black ink that won't be a bear to clean from a power filler pen. Does such a creature exist in this world, or is it guarded by unicorns and yetis? :confused:

[Jon Szanto]

Pretty close, and has been around for a long time: Noodler's Black. Just that, his basic ink (might have been the first, or one of the first, he ever made). If that doesn't dry fast enough, you'll have to look at something like Bernanke Black, which really excels in fast drying, but has issues with feathering (and it seems contested how water resistant it is).

Time to order some samples. :)

[Laura N]

How waterproof do you need? Because a lot of black inks from regular brands are actually pretty darn water-resistant, while being easy to clean and non-feathering, etc.

I confess I have no idea what a "power filler pen" is. :)

[Jon Szanto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7J8Tq595w0

[stevekolt]

Time to order some samples. :)

You may be right...:D Possibly some Noodlers black also.

Any input on the Sailor inks?

[Silverbreeze]

How waterproof do you need? Because a lot of black inks from regular brands are actually pretty darn water-resistant, while being easy to clean and non-feathering, etc.

I confess I have no idea what a "power filler pen" is. :)

Think TWSBI Vac 700 but more fancy

[Jeph]

MB Permanent Black dries virtually instantly on non-coated papers.
Aurora Black advertises no waterproof properties but on the papers I have tried it on it is very good and it also dries almost instantly on non-coated papers.

[stevekolt]

Jeph,
Are the Montblanc Permanent inks fairly easy to clean from pens and nibs? They will not be used in a C/C pen...

[Jeph]

Sorry, I just noticed your question. I have had no problems with cleaning the MB Permanent Black or the Aurora, both using piston fillers.

[elaineb]

DeAtramentis Document Black. Amazing, amazing stuff. Much more waterproof than Noodlers, flows beautifully, dries quickly. I used to use Platinum Carbon Black, and have now completely switched to this stuff. (And I do watercolors over black ink sketches, so I need an extremely stable black that dries quickly. The one below was done in Carbon Black, but it's indicative of what I expect from ink performance.)

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7558366934_d7a7c88443.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/cvUBah)

(Btw, hello again, everyone. It's been a while! Glad to see everyone's still here. :) )

[fountainpagan]

Thank you, Stevekolt for asking the question that allowed me to discover elaineb's talent.

Thank you elaineb for the ink information, and for sharing your beautiful watercolor. Is there a site where I could go for a gallery visit?:)

[bluesea]

Sailor Kiwa-guro drys pretty quickly, which is one of the (new) basic features of permanent inks, and if the latter isn't it should be.

Another characteristic I found with Platinum Carbon Black was its lubricity (and flow), which was pretty noticeable. It practically masked the feedback in my 3776 Bourgogne, with the feel of a wet ice cube.

[Neo]

Sailor Kiwa-guro drys pretty quickly, which is one of the (new) basic features of permanent inks, and if the latter isn't it should be.

Another characteristic I found with Platinum Carbon Black was its lubricity (and flow), which was pretty noticeable. It practically masked the feedback in my 3776 Bourgogne, with the feel of a wet ice cube.

But be aware that these are inks that are near impossible to clean out if allowed to dry inside a pen.

[bluesea]

Sailor Kiwa-guro drys pretty quickly, which is one of the (new) basic features of permanent inks, and if the latter isn't it should be.

Another characteristic I found with Platinum Carbon Black was its lubricity (and flow), which was pretty noticeable. It practically masked the feedback in my 3776 Bourgogne, with the feel of a wet ice cube.


But be aware that these are inks that are near impossible to clean out if allowed to dry inside a pen.



For that I rely on due diligence, and if that fails then I accept fault.

[Crazyorange]

I used all the de atramentis document inks. They are wonderful. Dry quick and easy to clean. If you are looking for a certain look to your black ink, the de atramentis document inks are mixable. You can get some interesting colors with mixing.

[naimitsu]

I used all the de atramentis document inks. They are wonderful. Dry quick and easy to clean. If you are looking for a certain look to your black ink, the de atramentis document inks are mixable. You can get some interesting colors with mixing.

I tried a sample of their Document Red and was underwhelmed by it. The ink it self was a trip to use. I have never before and never since used an ink that was so solid looking. It looked like a solid piece of plastic in the barrel of my demonstrator! From that, I had high hopes for the ink. Unfortunately, when I used it, the color was rather vapid to me. I wouldn't put the color anywhere near a true red. At best, it was a "pastel" red... which doesn't mean pink, but actually a soft shade of red. Horrid for marking up prints, which was the reason I needed a waterproof and feather-resistant ink.

From what I read from others, I am wondering if I somehow got a bad batch that caused the color to be less than vivid.

I will say that it was one of the easiest inks to clean out of my pen.

[Crazyorange]

This is a drawing I did with DA document green.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/9af7c51f7f432e95a94a354c74d00a7f.jpg

I found the DA document inks to be flat. No shading. Color is strong - though nothing like standard inks.

That said storia inks are PALE and washed out. I like the fun colors but *ugh* so washed out.

Top tile is with DA document ink - mixed to create (what I call mud) new colors. Bottom title is storia Magic purple. You can see how washed out it is.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/4aca8fa90f684f93e6a872f311f2e752.jpg

I like DA document inks because I can use water color pencils with them. But these inks cant touch non permanent inks - I miss shading, the colors - just general beauty of bung box, sailor and diamine.

[elaineb]

Sorry for the delay in responding. I only have a Flickr account (https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanspinner/) with my drawings, and it's not very well maintained. I end up wanting to paint and draw more than figit with web sites. :)

[bluesea]

Sorry for the delay in responding. I only have a Flickr account (https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanspinner/) with my drawings, and it's not very well maintained. I end up wanting to paint and draw more than figit with web sites. :)


Thanks for sharing!!!

[Crazyorange]

Sorry for the delay in responding. I only have a Flickr account (https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanspinner/) with my drawings, and it's not very well maintained. I end up wanting to paint and draw more than figit with web sites. :)

I wish I could draw like you. Beautiful.