Making a copy of Pen & Message Cigar ink

[Chrissy]

I have been trying to produce this copy for a while, but I couldn't do it because I was using a washable blue element that made it fail. So I selected a bottle of Noodler's Bad Blue Heron, -thanks to member 'reprieve' :)- and started again. The permanent blue element doesn't have to be Noodler's Bad Blue Heron. However, it does have to be a permanent, waterproof, single dye, blue ink.

The green I actually used in my recipe isn't available as it was a potential Diamine Green shimmer ink that didn't make it to production. However, I'm reliably informed that Diamine Jade Green or Light Green will work as well. In fact any washable bright yellowish green might work.

The chroma test will separate 3 dyes for you to replicate: Permanent blue, terracotta and bright green. You can only replicate that chroma test if you use a permanent blue ink. If you don't the blue and terracotta will mix and make dark brown.

I'm also attaching the chroma strips that I did to show the P&M Cigar as well as the components I used to make the copy.

As you can see from the chromas, if you imagine overlaying D.Terracotta and D.Green, you have the basics of P&M Cigar, Then what you need to add is a waterproof blue that has some sheen. It's the blue element that will give you sheen in your copy. The other two elements in the original have no sheen. Noodler's B.B.Heron seems to have some sheen in it.

I don't have any permanent blue inks that match the blue in Cigar, but it didn't seem to make a huge difference in the copy.

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[migo984]

No sheen? Close - but no Cigar.

[Laura N]

Geez, that looks really close to me. Well done!

I have to admit that I don't think this particular color is one I'd choose myself. But the name is great. It reminds me of my grandfather's cigars.

Inks are so cool.

[Chrissy]

Geez, that looks really close to me. Well done!

I have to admit that I don't think this particular color is one I'd choose myself. But the name is great. It reminds me of my grandfather's cigars.

Inks are so cool.

It reminds me of my fathers cigars too. :-) My copy is currently a little bit lighter, and I like it for that, but I know exactly what you mean about these 'dirty brown/green' inks

[reprieve]

I love this shade of brown-green. It reminds me of Sailor Rikyu-cha which was one of my favorites before it was discontinued. I've had P&M Cigar on my list of inks to try, but in the mean time I may just have to mix up something similar based on your recipe here. It looks great! :)

[Chrissy]

When I first mixed it, I noticed that it feathered slightly on my really cheap paper. However, as it has aged in the bottle that I put it in, so that it could become more concentrated, it seems to have lost that. I'm very happy with it now, and I can make more if I want to. :)

[Biber]

Try Diamine golden grown with a touch of Lamy black.

[Dhruv]

10/10 for trying to replicate this ink.

10/10 for cigar being what it is, an extremely complex ink which is almost impossible to replicate 100%.

Thanks.
The colors looks close and if you are using F and EF Nibs, you most probably won't even see the difference.