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SIR
January 1st, 2017, 06:55 AM
I absolutely cannot understand the fuss made about 'Citizen Kane'; I like Orson Welles, but really CK must be in my opinion the most overrated movie ever - it'd be lucky to get more than 7/10 from me if I was giving it a score on IMDB.

Another movie I consider grossly overrated, but I never less still like all the same, is Ingmar Bergman's 'Seventh Seal'; it is a 'nice' movie but hardly warrants being termed a 'classic'.

Perhaps, as all with all things being relative, it is a case of a better kind of rubbish?

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Please do share your most overrated films :)

Dreck
January 1st, 2017, 08:52 AM
Casablanca. Bogey spends the entire film whining, agonizing, and acting like an angsty teen over a married woman because she hooked up with him for a weekend when she thought her husband was dead in a Nazi prison camp, but then went back to her husband when she discovered he was alive & had escaped the camp. Granted, it was Ingrid Bergman, but for crying out loud, man it was one weekend and she's freaking married!

ambimom
January 1st, 2017, 10:50 AM
Anything by Quentin Taratino is overrated
Anything by Oliver Stone is overrated

If truth be told, it's all a matter of subjective opinion.

Citizen Kane has to be taken in context of its times, however movies like "Best Years of our Lives," and "Gone With the Wind," are true classics of that period IMHO. OTOH, movies such as "Local Hero," "Crossing Delancey," "Two for the Road," "My Brilliant Career," or "Reds" are the movies I can watch over and over and over.

Indeed "Reds," is a magnificent film far superior to "Citizen Kane" IMHO and generally overlooked.

usk15
January 1st, 2017, 10:58 AM
What seems to be over-rated to somebody it could make completely sense to somebody else. ..
And this can be related with everything, from pens to cars, art and culture. It's all about how you perceive that "thing" related with your preferences, experience, education and your small world that you live in.

SIR
January 1st, 2017, 12:48 PM
Casablanca. Bogey spends the entire film whining, agonizing, and acting like an angsty teen over a married woman because she hooked up with him for a weekend when she thought her husband was dead in a Nazi prison camp, but then went back to her husband when she discovered he was alive & had escaped the camp. Granted, it was Ingrid Bergman, but for crying out loud, man it was one weekend and she's freaking married!
Thanks, now I know (never seen it)!


Anything by Quentin Taratino is overrated
Kill Bill 1&2 together as one movie would definitely be in my top ten, but I could probably cope with losing the rest of his works.


What seems to be over-rated to somebody it could make completely sense to somebody else. ..
And this can be related with everything, from pens to cars, art and culture. It's all about how you perceive that "thing" related with your preferences, experience, education and your small world that you live in.
So... What do you consider to be overrated movies?

usk15
January 1st, 2017, 01:27 PM
LOTR, Harry Potter, all super-heroes movies, so called horror movies...

Tell us what movies you like.

Lady Onogaro
January 1st, 2017, 01:50 PM
Forrest Gump. Hated it.

SIR
January 1st, 2017, 02:10 PM
Tell us what movies you like.

Amazing how one actress can be in two of my most very favourite films - 'V for Vendetta' and 'Heat' (I also liked 'Black Swan' and 'Leon')...

I'm also partial to one or two in particular of Stanley Kubrick's films - truly a master filmmaker, but also one who divided opinion with every example.

usk15
January 1st, 2017, 02:23 PM
Tell us what movies you like.

Amazing how one actress can be in two of my most very favourite films - 'V for Vendetta' and 'Heat' (I also liked 'Black Swan' and 'Leon')...

I'm also partial to one or two in particular of Stanley Kubrick's films - truly a master filmmaker, but also one who divided opinion with every example.

Very good movies, very good tastes!

Anyway, I have to add to my earlier sentences: is very important the mood that you are in the moment you going to watch a movie, you might like it or hate it!

SIR
January 1st, 2017, 02:30 PM
Maybe, have you ever watched the same movie more than once in the cinema?

usk15
January 1st, 2017, 03:37 PM
Nope. In the last 15 years I use to watch movies on TV or through rental DVDs, very rare on cinema. But in the last year or so I haven't watch more than 20 movies till the end.

Cob
January 1st, 2017, 03:43 PM
The Last Metro.

Utterly pointless and baffling - it still annoys me and I was dragged along to see it in 1981 by The Woman Who Ruined My Life* - this of course doesn't help...

Cob

*I was damaged that year; she finished the job off 30 years later.

SquishyInk
January 1st, 2017, 07:34 PM
The Notebook. Maybe my expectations were too high going in, but I really wasn't as impressed as everyone else I spoke to was [emoji24]


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SIR
January 1st, 2017, 11:38 PM
Nope. In the last 15 years I use to watch movies on TV or through rental DVDs, very rare on cinema. But in the last year or so I haven't watch more than 20 movies till the end.

Yeah, more recently movies have become of an astoundingly low average quality... Blame the FB generation, or at least those who use them as the baseline for their target marketing.

I've seen only two movies more than once in the cinema (the same number as movies I've walked out on); "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and "Casino Royale" - both definitely worth seeing in the cinema, and both worth seeing more than once.

frmamede
January 2nd, 2017, 01:00 PM
Well, it could be the mood I watched or even comparison with other movies from the same year, but I guess the movie that has frustrated me the most was "The Hurt Locker", that won the Oscar in 2010. It was not bad, but no Oscar material IMHO. There are many more, but that one was the first that came to my mind...

Monkey
January 3rd, 2017, 03:44 AM
Yessss Citizen Kane! And Gone With The Wind, too. And hell yes Harry Potter.

"Anything by Quentin Taratino is overrated" <--yes also that.

mcorrea
January 3rd, 2017, 05:24 AM
Titanic

TropicalPenGal
January 3rd, 2017, 02:12 PM
"Beasts of the Southern Wild", which was nominated for a few Oscars in 2012. Found it really depressing but critics loved it. Also, "Birdman" another nominated film in 2014. Blah. There are much better Michael Keaton movies, IMHO.

ethernautrix
January 3rd, 2017, 07:29 PM
I could probably name several movies I didn't like (such as Titanic), but I will say this: Recently I watched Lech Majewski's The Mill and the Cross - and wow! Visually amazing. Tonight, I watched his Wojaczek, and maybe the story itself wasn't incredible, but the cinematography (again) was - the composition of scenes, the light and shadows, and black-and-white.

Another visually stunning movie is Hirokazu Kore-eda's Maborosi.

I'm glad for the reminder of Local Hero, one of my favorite favorites. Haven't watched it in a while. Also love Tarantino's Kill Bill I/II.

Scooby921
January 4th, 2017, 09:40 AM
I'm on board with Tarantino films being over-rated. I walked out of Kill Bill. I tried watching Inglorious Bastards and turned it off after 15 minutes...which was 10 minutes after I decided it sucked. I wanted to give it a chance, but it never got better. While he only directed one scene of Sin City the rest was done by a director wanting to be Tarantino. To date that's still the only movie I've ever slept through at a theater. This is still just personal opinion. Plenty of folks love his work.


The most over-rated film I've ever seen has to be "The Blair Witch Project". Ads and previews called it the scariest film ever. Friends said it was scary, but awesome. Another group of friends talked me into watching it. I hate horror films. I don't enjoy being scared. I saw "Alien" at a young age and had nightmares for years. Trees creaking in the wind a night make me think someone is breaking into my house. I walked out of "Blair Witch" laughing. The scariest movie ever was a comedy. It was so poorly filmed and produced that the only thing scary is the intelligence of the studio exec that gave it a green light. It is so bad that it makes "Battlefield Earth" look like a good movie, and that's rated as the worst movie ever!

Monkey
January 4th, 2017, 09:54 AM
There wasn't any studio exec, unless you meant the green light for buying it, it was an indie film that found a distributor. I love horror flicks but the previews made me look askance as did the reception it got. I did my damnedest to avoid it but a goofy friend was watching it alone and got scared so brought it over to finish with me, knowing I'd be a good rock, lmao. I sat there shaking my head and groaning at the ridiculousness and, now that he was not sitting there alone, he somewhat grudgingly agreed it was rather dumb after all, lol. That was the year Chris Rock hosted the VMAs and did an awful job of it, but the one joke he made that cracked me up was his comment about that movie - something along the lines of "It only cost 60-thousand to make. What?? Man somebody walking around with 50-thousand dollars in their pocket!" I can only assume it got the reaction it did because the found-footage style was fairly different, combined with, there's a lot of gullible idiots out there who somehow thought it was supposed to be an actual documentary.

Scooby921
January 4th, 2017, 10:36 AM
Yes. I meant giving it the green light to purchase and send out to theaters. I suppose in the end that was an easy decision considering the profit margin.

TSherbs
January 4th, 2017, 12:30 PM
I am a tough critic of films (and books). I have never seen a film that I would rate 10/10.

Any film that receives hyperbolic praise (and most of them do) is "over-rated" in my view. How can any film develop anything that approximates a real, deep relationship between people in 90-120 minutes? It's all relationship bullshit.

And so I go to films to be puzzled or jolted or visually stunned or to contemplate what is clearly and overtly a work of suggestive art. I have given films, say, an 8 out of ten, because they aren't trying to be real but are trying to make a work of art.

Hurt Locker was not like real war and was boring.

Pan's Labyrinth tries to be a work of art, and succeeds in most ways. 8/10.

The Grand Budapest Hotel also tries to be a work of art, but does not succeed so well for me. 6/10. But this is still worth a watch (for free).

But with things like Star Wars or LOTR, I just want another film from that imaginative world(s), and I don't care about quality. Just give me more (like an addiction).

usk15
January 4th, 2017, 12:44 PM
I am a tough critic of films (and books). I have never seen a film that I would rate 10/10.

Wellllll.....what about "The Shawshank Redemption", or "A Time to Kill"? I'm not a movie critic, nor art critic, but there are some movies which brings a lot of emotions, resulting in a high star rates.

Morgaine
January 4th, 2017, 12:53 PM
I'm not particularly impressed with Event Horizon.

titrisol
January 4th, 2017, 01:51 PM
any of the start treks

SIR
January 6th, 2017, 03:16 PM
I'm on board with Tarantino films being over-rated. I walked out of Kill Bill. I tried watching Inglorious Bastards and turned it off after 15 minutes...which was 10 minutes after I decided it sucked. I wanted to give it a chance, but it never got better. While he only directed one scene of Sin City the rest was done by a director wanting to be Tarantino. To date that's still the only movie I've ever slept through at a theater. This is still just personal opinion. Plenty of folks love his work.

I still don't really know what Reservoir Dogs is about, I have slept through most of it on multiple occasions...


I'm not particularly impressed with Event Horizon.
So bad, it's good!

Chrissy
January 7th, 2017, 03:42 AM
Based on reviews, ratings and general 'hype' we bought 'Gravity' I was completely underwhelmed. :(

On the other hand I loved 'The Martian' and that's on my list of 'films to see more than once.' Yes it's escapism (literally LOL) but I loved it, and the book is great too. :applause:

In fact, I watch Matt Damon in anything....:bounce:

catbert
January 7th, 2017, 05:40 AM
Based on reviews, ratings and general 'hype' we bought 'Gravity' I was completely underwhelmed. :(



Maybe it works better on a bigger screen (I saw it in IMAX 3D). Most people I know who saw it on TV or inflight were underwhelmed.

I was underwhelmed by Babel.

TSherbs
January 7th, 2017, 07:37 PM
Based on reviews, ratings and general 'hype' we bought 'Gravity' I was completely underwhelmed. :(



Maybe it works better on a bigger screen (I saw it in IMAX 3D). Most people I know who saw it on TV or inflight were underwhelmed.

I can't name a good film I have ever seen on a flight. But I have also stopped flying on routes that show films, so....

naimitsu
January 7th, 2017, 09:59 PM
On the other hand I loved 'The Martian' and that's on my list of 'films to see more than once.' Yes it's escapism (literally LOL) but I loved it, and the book is great too. :applause:


I loved that movie, though probably because of one line: I'm going to science the shit out of this.

penwash
January 7th, 2017, 10:38 PM
any of the start treks

The recent "reboot" of the original Star Trek with the young crew are outstanding.

Morgaine
January 8th, 2017, 07:17 AM
I also wasn't impressed with The Blair Witch Project.

dapprman
January 8th, 2017, 07:35 AM
I'm another one who thinks Citizen Cane is seriously over-rated. Yes it broke the mould for movies at the time and introduced new methodologies and techniques, but it is seriously dated. Conversely I actually think Casablanca is a worthy movie to watch, shows how much is down to personal preference.

I agree on Tarantino being over-hyped, but his movies do generally stand up to a reasonable level. I was fortunate, I didn't see Reservoir Dogs until several years after it had come out, so avoided all the hype and enjoyed it for what it is. Kill Bill 1 on the other hand (and have still not seen Kill Bill 2).

Zolt4n
January 8th, 2017, 12:20 PM
From the past few years I would say "Gravity" and "Django Unchained" have to be the two most over-hyped movies.

Chrissy
January 8th, 2017, 03:40 PM
On the other hand I loved 'The Martian' and that's on my list of 'films to see more than once.' Yes it's escapism (literally LOL) but I loved it, and the book is great too. :applause:


I loved that movie, though probably because of one line: I'm going to science the shit out of this.

I watched it again this evening, and spotted that line. :applause:

I don't think the thin bloke we see naked from behind was Matt Damon....:cool:

naimitsu
January 9th, 2017, 07:27 AM
I loved that movie, though probably because of one line: I'm going to science the shit out of this.
I watched it again this evening, and spotted that line. :applause:

I don't think the thin bloke we see naked from behind was Matt Damon....:cool:

From what I understand, most big name stars have body doubles.

And to continue on with the thread... I think Ferris Bueller's Day Off is pretty overrated.
I've seen it at least twice and the only thing that sticks is Economics Teacher (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825401/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

catbert
January 9th, 2017, 06:46 PM
And to continue on with the thread... I think Ferris Bueller's Day Off is pretty overrated.
I've seen it at least twice and the only thing that sticks is Economics Teacher (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825401/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

Dream Academy and Yello on the soundtrack. And this:

https://49.media.tumblr.com/8c2611bebb079a952f108425ec616636/tumblr_o2icefZ4Fa1qkh5k8o2_r1_500.gif


I can't name a good film I have ever seen on a flight. But I have also stopped flying on routes that show films, so....

Actually Ferris Bueller's Day Off stands up pretty well ...

dam
January 21st, 2017, 04:37 PM
Citizen Kane is overrated? An art film made in 1941 when film was still being considered anything but art, made in a studio system where directors were not respected? Just in terms of lighting and aesthetics, the film is extraordinary, is it not? In any case, it has to be put into context. What about the plot and the themes? The story of a millionnaire in love with himself who takes over the press, creates fake news, runs for office by simply demonizing his adversaries (but ends up losing the election because his opponent has dirt on him) and who ruins everything around him, regardless. Gee, that sounds familiar. How is that not avant-garde?

Joking aside, I think the most important criteria in assessing a film is if it stands the test of time ans if it had an influence on other films. I think Citizen Kane does and has had a big influence on a number of important film directors. Same goes for, say, Psycho. The other day I heard someone say she thought it was overrated because it didn't scare her. By today's standards, I suppose she's right in saying that. But that's not the only thing the film tries to do.

SIR
January 22nd, 2017, 11:53 AM
Citizen Kane is overrated? An art film made in 1941 when film was still being considered anything but art, made in a studio system where directors were not respected? Just in terms of lighting and aesthetics, the film is extraordinary, is it not? In any case, it has to be put into context. What about the plot and the themes? The story of a millionnaire in love with himself who takes over the press, creates fake news, runs for office by simply demonizing his adversaries (but ends up losing the election because his opponent has dirt on him) and who ruins everything around him, regardless. Gee, that sounds familiar. How is that not avant-garde?

Joking aside, I think the most important criteria in assessing a film is if it stands the test of time ans if it had an influence on other films. I think Citizen Kane does and has had a big influence on a number of important film directors. Same goes for, say, Psycho. The other day I heard someone say she thought it was overrated because it didn't scare her. By today's standards, I suppose she's right in saying that. But that's not the only thing the film tries to do.

Very fair perspective and actually I believe both CK and Psycho would both still be hits even if released today, personally though, I think 'Vertigo' is Hitchcock's best piece.

bluesea
January 24th, 2017, 01:26 PM
Rogue One almost points to the scary proposition of the unraveling of the Star Wars franchise. Looking at the last two installments, its already happened to Star Trek.

RNHC
January 27th, 2017, 07:07 AM
Rogue One almost points to the scary proposition of the unraveling of the Star Wars franchise. Looking at the last two installments, its already happened to Star Trek.

Someone said Rogue One was just a war movie cloaked in Star Wars or sci-fi garb. The story would have worked in WWII, Ancient China, near future, Star Trek, etc. etc. settings. But then again, a lot of movies have a universal story line that would work in any setting.

Dreck
January 27th, 2017, 08:21 AM
Rogue One almost points to the scary proposition of the unraveling of the Star Wars franchise. Looking at the last two installments, its already happened to Star Trek.

Someone said Rogue One was just a war movie cloaked in Star Wars or sci-fi garb. The story would have worked in WWII, Ancient China, near future, Star Trek, etc. etc. settings. But then again, a lot of movies have a universal story line that would work in any setting.

Where do you think Lucas & Spielberg got the idea for Star Wars in the 1st place? Ever see Hidden Fortress (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/) ?

RNHC
January 28th, 2017, 01:51 AM
Where do you think Lucas & Spielberg got the idea for Star Wars in the 1st place? Ever see Hidden Fortress (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/) ?

Nope but I did read somewhere Hidden Fortress was more than an idea for Star Wars - that good chunks of the plot were copied wholesale - even copying the number of sidekicks for the princess (swapping robots for peasants, of course). I find most Japanese movies, like European movies, tend to be too slow in their pacing for my taste. But then again, Seven Samurai was pretty good. On the other hand, I watched some pretty good to excellent Korean movies. Maybe it's Hollywood influence but I find Korean movies' pacing to be more to my liking.

Bisquitlips
January 30th, 2017, 05:56 PM
Any of my home movies!