Was there a time in Parker's history where the Centennials were same size as Inters ?

[lowks]

The background of this question came from here:

https://youtu.be/zJ6L8uX7JzU

Essentially I bought this Duofold from a seller which he said was a centennial. Not knowing better I accepted the pen without checking and only after going home and going online I noticed my pen is very much smaller than the real Centennial. The seller was adamant his is the real deal, even after the conversation below:

http://i.imgur.com/pfoZrHy.png

Is there such a thing ? Was there ever a time where the Centennials came in a smaller form as claimed by this seller ? The name of the seller has been edited out of the picture.

[jar]

Not that I am aware of but then I may well be wrong. IIRC when that iteration of the Duofold came out it was in two sizes, the Centennial and the International.

[Chrissy]

I agree with jar. There were two versions of the modern Duofold. Centennial and International.

[proteus]

There are two sizes of this Centennial pen.

[jar]

There are two sizes of this Centennial pen.
The one your arrow is pointing to is the Demi. The top is the Duofold Centennial, next is the Duofold International and your arrow points to the Duofold Demi.

But the Centennial is only the top pen.

[franzdimson]

I am far from an expert in these matters. But I have 2 Duofold Centennials (Mark I and Mark II), and an International Mark II.

The black Duofold above the green one looks to be like a Mark II Duofold which is slightly smaller than the Mark I Duofold.

I believe the nib will tell you if it's a Centennial or International.

Any possibility of posting a photo of both pens side by side and not cut off?


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[lowks]

This a picture of the pens side by side. Can someone let me know how to tell from the nibs ?

http://i.imgur.com/wuPfmLR.jpg

[Chrissy]

The two nibs in your picture are the same, so you can't tell from those two nibs. I actually can't see much of a difference between the two pens in that picture. If you remove the posted caps and place the pens side by side full length, are they the same length? They look like they are at least the same girth from here.

[lowks]

The two nibs in your picture are the same, so you can't tell from those two nibs. I actually can't see much of a difference between the two pens in that picture. If you remove the posted caps and place the pens side by side full length, are they the same length? They look like they are at least the same girth from here.

Same girth same length. Confirmed with calipers

[jar]

The two nibs in your picture are the same, so you can't tell from those two nibs. I actually can't see much of a difference between the two pens in that picture. If you remove the posted caps and place the pens side by side full length, are they the same length? They look like they are at least the same girth from here.

Same girth same length. Confirmed with calipers

Both the same model, but that does not say whether it is the Centennial, International or Demi, just that they are the same model.

[Chrissy]

The two nibs in your picture are the same, so you can't tell from those two nibs. I actually can't see much of a difference between the two pens in that picture. If you remove the posted caps and place the pens side by side full length, are they the same length? They look like they are at least the same girth from here.

Same girth same length. Confirmed with calipers

Both the same model, but that does not say whether it is the Centennial, International or Demi, just that they are the same model.
True enough. ;)

[proteus]

lowks,

Are you able to measure your pen in mm.

Closed ( Cap on )

Open ( Cap off )

If you can, I will tell you without a doubt if it is a Centennial

[lowks]

Okay here goes (for the green one, the pen in question):

Cap on: 13.1 cm
Cap off: 12.4 cm


lowks,

Are you able to measure your pen in mm.

Closed ( Cap on )

Open ( Cap off )

If you can, I will tell you without a doubt if it is a Centennial

[Farmboy]

Do the caps interchange?

[lowks]

Yes

[Chrissy]

My Centennial measures 13.6cm cap on.

[jar]

A question.

Is the pen in question the one that was converted from a rollerball?

[lowks]

A question.

Is the pen in question the one that was converted from a rollerball?

No its not

[proteus]

There are 4 variations of this pen

The larger Centennial Pen closed measures 137mm

There are also long and short cap clip versions of the larger version. ( photograph attached - the top two )

Personally I think your pen is a Centennial

[lowks]

Just wondering, how do you then differentiate between the International and Centennial ?

[Chrissy]

Centennial is longer and wider girth than International. So if mine is 13.6cm and yours is 13.1cm, I don't see how they can be the same pen.

[jar]

Correct. The Centennial was just slightly wider and slightly longer than the Internationals. The Waterman Man 100 & 200 presented a similar challenge; visually they looked identical (with a possible exception of the feeds) and so unless there was a scale in the pictures they were often misidentified.

[proteus]

There are 4 variations of this pen

The larger Centennial Pen closed measures 137mm

There are also long and short cap clip versions of the larger version. ( photograph attached - the top two )

Personally I think your pen is a Centennial

lowks

I asked someone this evening who would know the answer.

He has corrected me.

There are only 2 variations of this fountain pen, both measure 137mm.

The other 2 variations are of the ballpoint pen.

Sorry

Your pen is International.

[lowks]

Thanks everyone for the answers

[lowks]

Anyway as an update to this thread is the pen retailer saw my video online and has reached out to me to make amends by offering me a Centennial or equivalent (?) - of course the video has to be taken down after that. I will keep this thread updated on the progress.

[elysee]

There are two sizes of this Centennial pen.
The one your arrow is pointing to is the Demi. The top is the Duofold Centennial, next is the Duofold International and your arrow points to the Duofold Demi.

But the Centennial is only the top pen.

No offense, Jar, but that is not true. The pen to which the arrow points in that picture is the International size Duofold. The Demi was not introduced into the Duofold line until 2008. The marble green, marble blue (in the picture to which you referred), and the marble burgundy (also referred to as red marble and maroon marble) as well as the black, Special Edition Orange, and Special Edition Pearl and Black -- all of which I own -- (in addition to the 1980's Special Edition Sterling Silver and Special Edition Gold) did not come in a Demi size but rather Centennial and International sizes only.

In the picture to which you referred (accessible at https://parkerpens.net/centennial.html, which provides additional pictures of Duofolds from the 1980's to the present as well as a nice discussion of their history), the first two fountain pens, which appear to be the same size, are both Duofold Centennials. The difference between them is the gold rings on the cap and on the body. The first to be released had flat rings -- flat bands -- and the later version had rounded rings -- rounded bands. Except for my cap-actuated (push top) pen and pencil set (also included in that same picture), the rings on all my Duofolds are rounded (I am not a fan of the flat bands and, thus, I only purchased a marble burgundy cap-actuated pen and pencil set with flat bands); the cap-actuated pen and pencil set was only made with flat bands.

The International fountain pen for the 1980's Duofold (for example the pictured blue marble) is the same size as the Duofold rollerball pen; this is displayed in the posted picture and I can add real-life pictures of my Duofolds if necessary.

In regard to the nibs of the green marble Duofold (1980's series) and the black Duofold (1990's series -- two same-size rounded bands on the cap) for which a picture was posted, the nib on the black Duofold is not original as that nib is a 1980's nib; the nib for the 1980's Duofolds (both Centennial and Internation) had an arrow on the nib with "PARKER" written below that. The nib for the 1990's Duofold fountain pens (both Centennial and International) had a ribbon on the nib with the word Duofold, not the Parker arrow.