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tandaina
May 14th, 2013, 01:07 PM
So I've done a little Googling but haven't hit what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for a listing of ALL models of tortoise pens Pelikan has made.

Here's what I've come up with:

1930's 100 & 100N tortoise (short and long cap)
1930's 101 & 101N
1930's 100N and 101N Magnums
1950's: 140
1950's 400N
1950's 400/400NN
1950'ss 500/500NN
1950's 600/600NN
1970's: M&K 400NN
1980s M400
Pre-97: Japanese market M600 confirmed
m450 Tortoise w/Vermeil Cap
M101N (Limited Edition)
M200 (I had never heard of this one but just ran across someone claiming to have one?)
M400 White
M600 White Special Edition
1988 M800
M800 (current)

What am I missing?

Pensfan
May 14th, 2013, 01:27 PM
Rick Propas has pics of a 50's 400N as well. Also pretty sure there was an 80's limited release M600 in Tortoise, but not 100% sure there.

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tandaina
May 14th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Oooo, I missed that one completely. Subtle, Pelikan!

(Will keep editing the original post with additions until we have the full list.)

Pensfan
May 14th, 2013, 01:33 PM
Also from http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-400.html

Pre 50's: 101 & 101N in addition to the 100s.
1950's: 400, 500, 600, N and NN for each
1950's: 140
1970's: M&K 400NN

Pensfan
May 14th, 2013, 01:43 PM
Lots more info here too http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-souveraen.html

Man, I love tortoise Pelikans and this list is getting very dangerous haha.

Pre-97: Japanese market M600 confirmed
m450 Tortoise w/Vermeil Cap
model barrel cap

M800 brown striped/tortoise - dark brown for the Spanish market only

M800 brown striped/tortoise - dark brown Special Edition

rick propas
May 14th, 2013, 01:49 PM
Pensfan has done a good job of filling in, and some of my comments echo his or hers:

For the 1930s you're going to want to include the 101 and 101N tortoise as well as the standard and short captop versions

The 100N and 101N Magnums for the late 1930s

When you get to the 1950s you'll want to include the 500 and 600 versions (I've not seen a m-o-p 600), and the 400 and 500 in both stripe and in mother-of-pearl

In the 1980s there were several different trim configurations of the M400 and there was the original tortoise M800 (ca. 1988)

I'm sure there are others.



So I've done a little Googling but haven't hit what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for a listing of ALL models of tortoise pens Pelikan has made.

Here's what I've come up with:

Pre 50's 100 & 100N tortoise
1950's 400NN
1950's 400N
1950's 400
1950's 500NN
1980s M400
M101N (Limited Edition)
M200 (I had never heard of this one but just ran across someone claiming to have one?)
M400 White
M600 White Special Edition
M800 (current)

What am I missing?

tandaina
May 14th, 2013, 03:32 PM
Wow we're getting quite a list. Now I'm going to have to do some real searching to get images for each and add them to my pen wishlist. ;)

I've been fascinated with the tortoise Pelikans since I bought my first fountain pen, looks like if I wanted the complete line I could spend YEARS devoting all my collecting to that!

rick propas
May 15th, 2013, 12:09 AM
First off, this way lies total madness. Secondly, you need to add 1930's 101 & 101N, short and regular captop.

The 100 is red capped; the 101 is tortoise capped

peterpen53
May 15th, 2013, 01:55 AM
Wow we're getting quite a list. Now I'm going to have to do some real searching to get images for each and add them to my pen wishlist. ;)

Search for Christoph's posts on FPN or FPB. You'll find quite a few, especially the older ones.


I've been fascinated with the tortoise Pelikans since I bought my first fountain pen, looks like if I wanted the complete line I could spend YEARS devoting all my collecting to that!

Apart from the time involved, did you win the lottery or something? :)
Anyway, your list is becoming quite useful for me too!

tandaina
May 15th, 2013, 06:14 AM
Oh I realize we dance with madness! 😉

I did not, sadly, win the lotto so most of these will remain academic. But if I ever do? Rick will be getting a request to help with 'mission impossible!'

rick propas
May 15th, 2013, 10:27 AM
Not to brag, but i do have all but one or two of these.

Pensfan
May 15th, 2013, 11:02 AM
Not to brag, but i do have all but one or two of these.

Seriously Rick... you can't just pop in here and drop a bomb like that without some pics. :D

rick propas
May 15th, 2013, 02:10 PM
You are right and as soon as I am over both final exams and the flu I will get some images up



Not to brag, but i do have all but one or two of these.

Seriously Rick... you can't just pop in here and drop a bomb like that without some pics. :D

tandaina
May 15th, 2013, 02:26 PM
1st. Pics or it didn't happen. ;)

2nd. I consider that a gauntlet sir. You are ON. Just give me 20 or 30 years to catch up. ;)

Pensfan
May 15th, 2013, 02:43 PM
Oh man... I think I just giggled like a school girl... fortunately I am home alone which is good since I am a 42y/o dude! Obviously I am waiting with baited breath for those pics Rick!

Prayers with you to feel better soon brother.

:D

earthdawn
May 15th, 2013, 10:13 PM
Well I dont usually post ebay or fleabay crap... but check this Pelikan out...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171038291002?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

rick propas
May 16th, 2013, 04:46 PM
OK, even though I am in the middle of finals, I guess I gotta put up or shut up and since I already shot off my mouth:

We'll start with the pens of the 1930s, 100s, 101s, 100Ns and 101Ns

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/IMG_9602.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/IMG_9602.jpg.html)

To the best of my knowledge this (above) is a complete run of these models.

Below a better image of a selection of the above pens

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Tort100Comparo.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/Tort100Comparo.jpg.html)

The gap in the above image was filled with this odd little pen:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/ShortTort100.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/ShortTort100.jpg.html)

carlos.q
May 16th, 2013, 06:15 PM
:jaw: This... is... simply... AWESOME!

tandaina
May 16th, 2013, 07:57 PM
Wow. That is just. WOW. Those are BEAUTIFUL Rick! Someday I hope to have just ONE 100 or 101 (N or not!). Thank you for sharing with us! :)

rick propas
May 17th, 2013, 12:43 AM
Shoot me an e-mail, I may have something for you.


Wow. That is just. WOW. Those are BEAUTIFUL Rick! Someday I hope to have just ONE 100 or 101 (N or not!). Thank you for sharing with us! :)

rick propas
May 17th, 2013, 02:55 AM
Next installment:

Mother of pearl from the 1950s

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Allm-o-p.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/Allm-o-p.jpg.html)

And just to caption (left to right) 140, 400 (note the very early thin double cap bands), matching 450 (with matching bands), 500 (and I have subsequently added the matching 550 pencil, not shown), 400N and 450 pencil.

Gotta admit that I am pretty proud of this collection.

peterpen53
May 17th, 2013, 03:12 AM
Next installment:

Mother of pearl from the 1950s

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Allm-o-p.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/Allm-o-p.jpg.html)

And just to caption (left to right) 140, 400 (note the very early thin double cap bands), matching 450 (with matching bands), 500 (and I have subsequently added the matching 550 pencil, not shown), 400N and 450 pencil.

Gotta admit that I am pretty proud of this collection.

You're really kiddin' now, aren't you? This is right up there with AltecGreen's vintage italians.
Question: that 500, is that what they call the seagrass-green?

rick propas
May 17th, 2013, 09:23 AM
The 500 is mother-of-pearl. You can see the seagrass on my website and I do, actually have one available, but not yet up on the site.



Next installment:

Mother of pearl from the 1950s

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Allm-o-p.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/Allm-o-p.jpg.html)

And just to caption (left to right) 140, 400 (note the very early thin double cap bands), matching 450 (with matching bands), 500 (and I have subsequently added the matching 550 pencil, not shown), 400N and 450 pencil.

Gotta admit that I am pretty proud of this collection.

You're really kiddin' now, aren't you? This is right up there with AltecGreen's vintage italians.
Question: that 500, is that what they call the seagrass-green?

Pelikan-Vera
May 17th, 2013, 03:14 PM
Super Rick.....I wish they would still make one of these as the anniversary pen instead.....

rick propas
May 18th, 2013, 01:30 AM
Me, too; but I doubt seriously that we will see that celluloid again. Let's hope I'm wrong.


Super Rick.....I wish they would still make one of these as the anniversary pen instead.....

piscov
May 18th, 2013, 09:37 AM
Hi Rick,

Amazing pens!! Congrats, you really have a great collection!!!

One doubt: I have never seen before the Pelikan 100 Red cap and short tartoise cap top in any catalogue, price list or even another picture of such a pen. Are you sure is not an Frankenpen? but it looks great!!

Best regards

Vssco

da vinci
May 19th, 2013, 02:55 AM
This is a great thread - thanks to all contributors and the OP!

rick propas
May 19th, 2013, 11:59 AM
Vasco, it's a curious pen, to be sure. But it came to me out of the wild, so if it is a marriage it almost surely was done early on, either out of the factory or in the original retailers. Impossible to know.


Hi Rick,

Amazing pens!! Congrats, you really have a great collection!!!

One doubt: I have never seen before the Pelikan 100 Red cap and short tartoise cap top in any catalogue, price list or even another picture of such a pen. Are you sure is not an Frankenpen? but it looks great!!

Best regards

Vssco

piscov
May 19th, 2013, 12:06 PM
Hi Rick

Thank you.

Either way is a fantastic combination. I like it very much!!

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

dduran
June 16th, 2013, 12:59 PM
Hi Rick

Thank you.

Either way is a fantastic combination. I like it very much!!

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

This is OT but just want to say hi to both you (Vasco, from Pentrace?) and Rick! Been very busy lately but hope to be able to get back up to date soon :)

Amazing collection Rick, would really like to have a Tortoise 100/101 but right now I'm focusing on more practical (for my hand) pens... go M800! :)

piscov
June 16th, 2013, 01:05 PM
Hi Rick

Thank you.

Either way is a fantastic combination. I like it very much!!

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

This is OT but just want to say hi to both you (Vasco, from Pentrace?) and Rick! Been very busy lately but hope to be able to get back up to date soon :)

Amazing collection Rick, would really like to have a Tortoise 100/101 but right now I'm focusing on more practical (for my hand) pens... go M800! :)

Hi Dennis Thanks!! Yes I am Vasco (piscov) from pentrace.

Welcome here!

Hope you are enjoying your M800:)


BR

Vasco

rick propas
June 16th, 2013, 09:10 PM
Hey, Dennis! Happy to see you here. Think about a 100 or 101N--thicker and longer and more durable than the 100/101.

bpgoldman
June 17th, 2013, 07:20 AM
Tandaina -

You mentioned a 200 in your list, but that you had never seen one. I have one that I lucked into in the 90's, but I don't remember where I got it, and I've never seen another. Wonderful writer, even has a little flex.3538

tandaina
June 17th, 2013, 08:39 AM
I found one of these on eBay and snapped it up. Mine has a stiff nib, but quite nice still. And it is a beautiful pen. Hard to see in your picture but hte top of the cap is longer and more round than modern Pelikans or any of my other oldies, guess I should post pictures, huh?

bpgoldman
June 17th, 2013, 09:51 AM
Like you, I've become fascinated by Pelikan tortoises, especially brown ones, and I've been drooling over the pictures from Rick Propas's collection. I'll post another picture showing the top, which is rounder than modern Pelikans, and I think the steel nibs from that era are not as stiff as the modern ones. Mine has actually softened over the years (probably like my brain). In fact I have a 120 Merz & Krell that I bought as a student in the 1970's with a nib that has amazing flex; the gold plating is almost gone but it's still a great writer. It cost $12 new!
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tandaina
June 17th, 2013, 09:59 AM
My M200 torti came with a gold nib, no clue if that was original to the pen, but that's what it came to me with. ;)

bpgoldman
June 17th, 2013, 11:00 AM
As far as I know (and I'm no expert), the 200's originally came with gold-plated steel nibs. But one of the joys of Pelikans is how easy it is to swap out nibs, so I've never been too concerned about what's original. A few years ago Levenger was selling a modern 200 demonstrator with a gold nib. Maybe that's a 205, but I'm just guessing. I bought a 400nn a while back, and when I unscrewed the nib to clean it, the nib collar had cracked, apparently a not uncommon occurrence. Richards's Pens has a fix: http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/pendoctor/22.htm, but I was able to find a 140 nib on Ebay, which fit perfectly.

rick propas
June 19th, 2013, 07:47 PM
Got one or two more for the list: 100Nf (a desk pen). They show up most often in green but I have on reserve a tortoise. These may have come as both 100N and 101N gotta do some research Sadly I shall probably have to wait until November to get it unless . . .

tandaina
June 22nd, 2013, 03:42 PM
So I know there was a Pelikan 500 tortoise with rolled gold cap and piston know... Was there a stipped tortoise with a 400NN piston knob (brown) and a rolled gold cap? Or is that a frankenpen? Not solid tortoise like Rick posted earlier, but stripped like the 400NN but with rolled gold cap?

piscov
June 23rd, 2013, 05:22 AM
Was there a stipped tortoise with a 400NN piston knob (brown) and a rolled gold cap? Or is that a frankenpen? Not solid tortoise like Rick posted earlier, but stripped like the 400NN but with rolled gold cap?


Hi Tandaina,

Itīs a not a Frankenpen. This is, as far as I know, the diferent variation that Pelikan 400NN had ( source :http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-400.html)

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Hope it helps!

BR

Vasco

AndyLa
June 25th, 2013, 09:19 AM
No mention of the brown tortoise m415? Wasn't aware that there was an m200... Does it have a gold plated or 14k nib?

tandaina
June 25th, 2013, 04:29 PM
Nib is 14k. However, given how easy Pelikan nibs are to swap that really doesn't tell you anything!

AndyLa
June 26th, 2013, 07:46 PM
Very true. I have an m415 and it looks similar to your m200. It's good to know!

tandaina
June 27th, 2013, 10:00 AM
Nope, cap is different on mine. None of that heavy gold attached to the clip. Some photos to help:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2824/9150963423_044e1aea17_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9150963423/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9150963423/) by JoAndRoses (http://www.flickr.com/people/84377112@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5513/9153185906_a152fa2595_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9153185906/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9153185906/) by JoAndRoses (http://www.flickr.com/people/84377112@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2814/9150957461_b0f2b75fce_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9150957461/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84377112@N05/9150957461/) by JoAndRoses (http://www.flickr.com/people/84377112@N05/), on Flickr

fountainpenkid
June 28th, 2013, 08:08 AM
Wouldn't that pen be a m250 not an m200?

tandaina
June 28th, 2013, 08:37 AM
Could be, it was sold to me as an M200, if it isn't I'd be happy to get a confident ID!

AndyLa
July 1st, 2013, 12:06 PM
I think Will is right. When I first started to try and ID my pen I vaguely remember running across m250's in brown tortoise..

mustud52
January 29th, 2015, 02:41 AM
OK, even though I am in the middle of finals, I guess I gotta put up or shut up and since I already shot off my mouth:

We'll start with the pens of the 1930s, 100s, 101s, 100Ns and 101Ns

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/IMG_9602.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/IMG_9602.jpg.html)

To the best of my knowledge this (above) is a complete run of these models.

Below a better image of a selection of the above pens

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Tort100Comparo.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/Tort100Comparo.jpg.html)

The gap in the above image was filled with this odd little pen:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/ShortTort100.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/rickp/media/ShortTort100.jpg.html)

Lovely photos. I am intrigued that picking up the reissued M101N red and brown tortoise pens and comparing with the originals in Rick's photos suggests that Pelikan did an excellent job with the newer pens. Perhaps the tactile feel may be a little different but as best as I can judge the new pens are damn fine and certainly not shabby reissues.

I would love to see the newer red resin next to the older version to see how they compare. Is the reissue a brighter hue? Is it an aging property?

Such fun can be had with pens.