Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

[AzJon]

I see Vanness has a bottle and it pops up on Amazon. Is it suddenly available again? Did Pelikan change the formula?

Anyone? Bueller?

[azkid]

A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:


Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.

https://thepelikansperch.com/2016/04/20/pelikan-4001-blue-black-story/

I came into the hobby six months ago so I missed this.

Now I want to get some to try! :)

[AzJon]

A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:


Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.

https://thepelikansperch.com/2016/04/20/pelikan-4001-blue-black-story/

I came into the hobby six months ago so I missed this.

Now I want to get some to try! :)

Indeed. I found it at the above mentioned places and on eBay as well direct from Germany. Now, given its semi-legendary status, I really want to try it. I just wonder if this is a new formulation, the States relaxed their rules, or its NOS.

[Runnin_Ute]

Unless the formulation has changed and I don't think it has, you could always get it. Pelikan just isnt formally importing it into the US. I don't know where Vanness gets their inventory. Probably not Chartpak (US distributor for Pelikan).

The US was a relatively small market I imagine for 4001 Blue Black. So why reformulate for one market?

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[The Good Captain]

4001 is still my favourite ink of all time but of course, residing in the UK supply has never been a problem. Hope you get hold of some soon.

[Stickler]

If anyone needs some, I go back and forth between the UK and the US all the time. I could carry some home.

[Chrissy]

I've also seen it available on Amazon.com from time to time. You can sometimes find it available on Amazon.de with reasonable shipping to the US. :)

[azkid]

I see that fountainfeder.eu carries it and their shipping was reasonable when I ordered a few weeks ago.

[AzJon]

I'll have to put some in the lineup. Just acquired some older Montblanc blue-black IG, which I'm pretty stoked about. :)

[Lloyd]

How does this compare to ESSRI?

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[Hawk]

We bought the ink through FPG this year from a person living in an Eastern Europe.

[AzJon]

Well, as it turns out, I will be going to Germany this coming March.

I can pick some up there. :)

On that note, I know Pelikan has a headquarters in Switzerland, is that just a corporate office or and actual facility? Anyone know?

[jmccarty3]

I got some from Pendemonium some time back. It's the only ink that's been able to tame my wet Wahl-Eversharp Decoband Superflex nib.

[maddington]

I echo Pendemonium as a resource. They import the iron gall Pelikan Blue-Black and had several bottles at the Dallas pen show a couple of weeks back. According to their website, they still have stock: http://www.pendemonium.com/Pelikan.html.


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[Sid the Cat]

The government wants to protect you from raw-milk cheese as well.

[inklord]

... why is this ink so "legendary"? it's in my (limited) experience a blue(ish) grey(ish) black(ish) ink with poor shelf life (my 5 year old bottle is simply dark grey now, though being stored in total darkness in a cool place), the ink is extremely dry and, well why? R&K "Salix" easily fills that niche, as do a number of other IG inks, not to mention pigmented inks.

[inklord]

Well, as it turns out, I will be going to Germany this coming March.

I can pick some up there. :)

On that note, I know Pelikan has a headquarters in Switzerland, is that just a corporate office or and actual facility? Anyone know?

... just offices as far as i know, in the tiny community of Feusisberg (population less than 6000). probably a tax fraud effort to be outside of EU jurisdiction :)

[calamus]

So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?

[countrydirt]

So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?

The information is in post #2 of this thread.

[junglejim]

Calamus, last time I checked (yesterday) Vanness still has 4ml samples available. No bottles, unfortunately.

All the Best.

[calamus]

So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?

The information is in post #2 of this thread.

The post doesn't mention it, but the linked article does mention a banned unnamed substance in the ink, presumably something other than IG. Wonder what it is.

[calamus]

Thank you kindly Mr. junglejim. I don't plan to buy any IG content inks any time soon. However, I do see Pelikan Blue-Black 4001 on eBay pretty often.

BTW, are you anywhere near SLO? I love that whole Pismo Beach to Morro Bay area.

[countrydirt]

A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:


Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.

https://thepelikansperch.com/2016/04/20/pelikan-4001-blue-black-story/

I came into the hobby six months ago so I missed this.

Now I want to get some to try! :)




So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?

The information is in post #2 of this thread.

The post doesn't mention it, but the linked article does mention a banned unnamed substance in the ink, presumably something other than IG. Wonder what it is.

Probably something that will make your children be born naked or bare-footed or something.

[Kulprit]

I’ve had the misfortune of running headlong into the TSCA. Often, it’s not a matter of a chemical or substance actually being toxic, rather it’s simply a matter of that substance not appearing on an “approved” list.

I suspect that Pelikan (or, rather, their US distributor) simply can’t be bothered to go through the expense of getting “ingredient X” tested and approved just so they can bring one shade of ink into what is, admittedly, a very small market.


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[AzJon]

... why is this ink so "legendary"? it's in my (limited) experience a blue(ish) grey(ish) black(ish) ink with poor shelf life (my 5 year old bottle is simply dark grey now, though being stored in total darkness in a cool place), the ink is extremely dry and, well why? R&K "Salix" easily fills that niche, as do a number of other IG inks, not to mention pigmented inks.

I grabbed a few bottles recently and just inked up a pen. I find the color very nice, actually.

My personal desire for it is that the 4001 inks work very well in my vintage Pelikan that is a fire-hydrant otherwise. Salix is fine, but so dry that it can make even the smoothest nibs have feedback.

I only said "semi-legendary" because it was (relatively) loved (once upon a time in america) for its safe use in pens and its permanence. Now, it being no longer imported, is hard to find domestically (indeed, even Vanness only carries it if they happen to get some bottles brought over). Of course, online retailers make that all but a moot point.

[manoeuver]

no justice no peace.

[Baisao]

no justice no peace.

Now that was a prescient post!

[azkid]

I am thinking about ordering some from fountainfeder.de

[guyy]

Pendomonium down Arizona was selling it this spring.

[NumberSix]

I ordered it from Endlesspens.com a few months back - they charged no more than any other 4001 ink.

[FredRydr]

Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?

[Pterodactylus]

Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?

As far as I know Pelikan Blue-Black was always an IG ink.

[Spirit]

Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?
No, the closest non-IG would be Pelikan Edelstein Tanzanite.

[Runnin_Ute]

I just picked up two bottles of Pelikan 4001 Blue Black from Cult Pens and had them shipped to me in the US. So still relatively easy to get, just have to wait a little longer.

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