is this worth anything

[lucaslvcc]

for sale for $13. worth it?


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[Jon Szanto]

No link, no photo. I say: worthless.

[jar]

Certainly worth the price of an Emperor's New Clothes.

[lucaslvcc]

No link, no photo. I say: worthless.

the picture didnt upload. sorry.


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[lucaslvcc]

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[lucaslvcc]

Certainly worth the price of an Emperor's New Clothes.

pic uploaded


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[penwash]

Assuming restoration is needed, it'll be about $30-40 depending on which filling system it is.
Plus shipping back and forth, so you'd end spending about $50-60 for a restored and working vintage Sheaffer set with its original case.

To me, that sounds like a decent deal.

[Jon Szanto]

This set is from just after the close of WWII and I *believe* it is a Sheaffer "Craftsman". If you want to see why I hesitate just a bit, it has to do with the band at the lip of the cap, commonly called a "wire band" style - take a look at this page (http://www.richardspens.com/ref/profiles/craftsman.htm) and you'll see why it is a bit hard to pin down.

When you are asking for an ID on a pen, the more photos the better. It would be very helpful to see the nib (tip of the pen) as well as an indication of the filling system (a small gold bar/lever would indicate a lever filler, a knob on the end that unscrews would be the "Touchdown" filler. In any case, this is not a particularly high-end pen and is in a common color; it would need to be restored (the filling system) if it hasn't been. My guess would be less than $100 for the set, possibly half that. Other people may have more ideas and valuations.

[lucaslvcc]

thanks a lot guys. wish i had more pics for you. i can try to get some


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[KBeezie]

Assuming the restoration price was around $50 or less as penwash has said, and you got the set for under $20-30, I would say in restored functional condition it would be worth the price (some restorers will also polish the pen, collectors tend to decline that option, but some users like having it all shiny, just something to keep in mind depending on how you're going to use it)

You just want to make sure you get a picture of it uncapped and make note of any chips/cracks. If the nib is damaged, bent, or has tipping snapped off then that's going to be a lot more expensive to restore/replace. Cracks though can be restored by a professional without much issues.

Restoration can make a huge difference on your perception of it being "worth it", especially if the intent is to use it.

Before (A Sheaffer Tuckaway Valiant with a Vacuum Filler) :

https://i.imgur.com/9FYJJQV.jpg

After :

https://i.imgur.com/Xq8pZSs.jpg

[Jon Szanto]

Restoration can make a huge difference on your perception of it being "worth it", especially if the intent is to use it.

That's a nice pen, but your "before" condition isn't in that bad of shape; it's always more dramatic if the b/a photos show the ugly duckling really coming to life. Case in point: Ratner & Sons, RHR, mid-1920s. A real 3rd tier pen that had been stained by ink but appeared it might clean up. It did.


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[lucaslvcc]

good info guys[emoji106]


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[Farmboy]

I would not hesitate at $13

[KBeezie]

Restoration can make a huge difference on your perception of it being "worth it", especially if the intent is to use it.

That's a nice pen, but your "before" condition isn't in that bad of shape; it's always more dramatic if the b/a photos show the ugly duckling really coming to life. Case in point: Ratner & Sons, RHR, mid-1920s. A real 3rd tier pen that had been stained by ink but appeared it might clean

I only picked that one because it was the only before/after I had of a Sheaffer

As opposed to this Eversharp Skyline I restored myself :

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/eversharp/skyline/brown_goldfilled/disassembled_before.jpg

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/eversharp/skyline/brown_goldfilled/goldfilled_pair.jpg

Not that it's a competition or anything :D

[Jon Szanto]

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[lucaslvcc]

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[Jon Szanto]

Definitely worth the $13.00 initial investment. Is there a lever on the barrel of the pen?

[lucaslvcc]

Definitely worth the $13.00 initial investment. Is there a lever on the barrel of the pen?

this person is very slow to reply, haha. ill probably just buy it instead of waiting for more pictures. is the nib gold on these or just plated?


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[Sailor Kenshin]

If you don't want it, I do!

[lucaslvcc]

If you don't want it, I do!

im trying [emoji23][emoji23]


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[KBeezie]

I'm going to assume it's a lever filler since there was no break at all in the striation of the barrel to the end.

Definitely worth the initial investment, tipping and nib looks good.

[lucaslvcc]

I'm going to assume it's a lever filler since there was no break at all in the striation of the barrel to the end.

Definitely worth the initial investment, tipping and nib looks good.

yeah theres nothing back there. which is more desirable on these?


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[Jon Szanto]

I'm going to assume it's a lever filler since there was no break at all in the striation of the barrel to the end.

That's what my eyes told me, but I've learned to not completely trust a photo.


yeah theres nothing back there. which is more desirable on these?

I wasn't asking because of what the end value would be, but because a lever filler - which just needs a rubber sac inside replaced - will be less cost involved in restoring. A vac-fill mechanism will need a more skilled person to work on and a slightly higher price for work, but will hold more ink. In the end, they both will function to supply ink to the nib and it is personal preference for the user as to which they want.

I just wanted to make certain it was a lever fill, which will make it even more of a bargain.

[lucaslvcc]

That's what my eyes told me, but I've learned to not completely trust a photo.


yeah theres nothing back there. which is more desirable on these?

I wasn't asking because of what the end value would be, but because a lever filler - which just needs a rubber sac inside replaced - will be less cost involved in restoring. A vac-fill mechanism will need a more skilled person to work on and a slightly higher price for work, but will hold more ink. In the end, they both will function to supply ink to the nib and it is personal preference for the user as to which they want.

I just wanted to make certain it was a lever fill, which will make it even more of a bargain.

ah okay thats cool


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[lucaslvcc]

I think the pen is a sovereign ii, you guys agree?
by the way, i bought the set. $16 shipped
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[jar]

I think the pen is a sovereign ii, you guys agree?
by the way, i bought the set. $16 shipped
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Most likely suspect.

Plan on having it serviced regardless. Tell us where you are located and we can likely make recommendations.

[lucaslvcc]

I think the pen is a sovereign ii, you guys agree?
by the way, i bought the set. $16 shipped
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Most likely suspect.

Plan on having it serviced regardless. Tell us where you are located and we can likely make recommendations.

I’m in Oklahoma


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[Jon Szanto]

I think the pen is a sovereign ii, you guys agree?

Based on the Triumph nib and white dot, I agree. I would consider sending it to Danny Fudge of The Write Pen (http://thewritepen.net/). He does excellent work for reasonable rates.

[jar]

Yup, consider Danny.

[Eddie Southgate]

The original box would be worth $13 if you needed one and didn't have a nicer one .

[azkid]

Seems like a steal for $13 even if it needs rebuild. I've never done a vacuum filler but it can't be that hard to diy, can it?

[jar]

Seems like a steal for $13 even if it needs rebuild. I've never done a vacuum filler but it can't be that hard to diy, can it?

Why yes, yes it can.

[azkid]

Challenge accepted! :D

Seems like a steal for $13 even if it needs rebuild. I've never done a vacuum filler but it can't be that hard to diy, can it?

Why yes, yes it can.

[Sailor Kenshin]

We've done snorks, Touchdowns, buttons, and regular lever-fillers. Vacs still scare us.

[lucaslvcc]

more pics for you guys https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181028/d5d1d24cb2b990f9d8853f53d288ad9f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181028/9feb93b3e2a4b59a6c4fc1ab82afdee6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181028/1773fa172de003a513bab5e9016d6fae.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181028/b6b5bc958c60bf059aa966c70e66a4b8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181028/4aee0d53f385bcdf1bdd6b842656a0c9.jpg


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[Sailor Kenshin]

*drools*

That is some deal.

[jar]

more pics for you guys


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Okay, lever filler. That should be easy fix.

[lucaslvcc]

*drools*

That is some deal.

thank you im satisfied


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[lucaslvcc]

id love to diy it but thewritepen only charges $15, seems like a good deal


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[lucaslvcc]

btw, can you guys tell if this nib is b,m,f,ef, etc. from pictures?


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[jar]

btw, can you guys tell if this nib is b,m,f,ef, etc. from pictures?


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At the time Sheaffer offered a choice of a dozen or more nib types (http://www.sheaffertarga.com/Sheaffer%201958%20to%202003/Images/16%20different%20nib%20points%202.jpg):

[lucaslvcc]

wow


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[KBeezie]

btw, can you guys tell if this nib is b,m,f,ef, etc. from pictures?


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At the time Sheaffer offered a choice of a dozen or more nib types (http://www.sheaffertarga.com/Sheaffer%201958%20to%202003/Images/16%20different%20nib%20points%202.jpg):


wow


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If the underside of the nib wasn't covered in tarnish there was sometimes an engraving there such as M2 to show the nib point indicator.

In the flashed picture of the underside showing the tipping with a gap between them, safest bet is a standard medium, and wet one at that.

Quickest way to know is probably a dip test once the pen is cleaned (or if you want to dip into a vial of ink that you don't worry about contaminating and rinse it off after before sending it out for service/restoration, though the flow/point might change slightly after restoration).