Ariel Kullock Parker 51’s

[proteus]

Over the last week or so I have been looking at Ariel Kullock Parker 51’s shells.

I thought they were quite remarkable.

He clearly has had a lot of help from former USA Janesville engineers.

The shells are an exact copy – they are the same – 1960’s Lucite, made 1999 - 2006

Obviously the P51 purists will hate them.

Does anyone have any of these shells in a P51?

Would like any comments please.

[Jon Szanto]

Not a great shot, but here's one I have:

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[proteus]

Jon,

What an amazing pen.

Still trying to pick my jaw up from the table.

[proteus]

The thing that first drew my interest to his products were the different cap jewels.

All made from the same 1960’s Lucite as the originals – the pattern actually runs through the entire jewel – it is not just a top finish. They are an exact size match.

Thought this was very clever, both an engineering and innovative masterpiece.

Sometimes a very small change can make a big difference.

Possibly not to everyone's taste.

[Linkinyeah]

I have several I have bought within the past year I will post pictures when I get a chance. I have run into some issues with a demonstrator double jewel and some weak parts of other colors and designs.

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[proteus]

A photograph of a P51 with a yellow pearl lower shell.

You will either like it or hate it.

I thought it totally changed the look of a standard black aero.

The fit was perfect.

The inner tapered angle has been increased to align perfectly with the connector - there is no need for a rubber O ring.
This is the work of a former highly skilled Parker engineer / designer

nb still keep looking at Jon's amazing pen, possibly I need to get out more........

[proteus]

After 84 views I am surprised so few have expressed an opinion.

Like them or dislike them.

I thought his products were very clever, they are better made ( more refined ) than the originals using the same materials.
Obviously he had the advantage of later production technology

[Empty_of_Clouds]

I had this one:

https://i.imgur.com/n7CvusGl.jpg

Never should've sold it, probably wouldn't have done so if it had a gold cap. [While I am still many shades of stupid, I was more so back then]

[proteus]

A great many thanks for posting a photograph of your pen.

I am going to guess it was produced 1999 - 2001.

Possibly the best shells I have ever seen.

I would walk over hot coals to have one.

Currently I appear to sorting through the scraps of his designs, still think they are great but never seen anything like this before.

[Empty_of_Clouds]

I believe the material was called Red Centennial. A member on FPN had a complete 51 made in Blue Centennial (including the cap!).

[proteus]

Many Thanks.

Found it - FPN net lifts.

I like the Red version better.

[pajaro]

These:

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/uploads/imgs/fpn_1556302459__img_20190426_140607.jpg

The bottom pen, with the green and black swirly barrel, is a Bexley barrel on a 51, black shell.

The others have shells same as barrel color. There are two swirly yellow semi-translucent pens. The one with a spring is a ballpoint matching a fountain pen.

[pajaro]

The story is that Ariel Kullock bought the machinery and parts and Lucite stock from the Parker plant in Argentina. Parker made pens there. I have an Industria Argentina 51 in burgundy. It is just as good as a USA made 51. The burgundy on my pen is slightly lighter in color, more like a dark carmine.

[azkid]

Aside from not being a fan of the yellow lucites or hammered caps, the rest of it looks amazing.

The jewels are an amazing touch of detail. I have a feeling these are too costly for me to justify buying,otherwise I would pick up one of these designs in a heartbeat.

I really like EOCs old pen, the blue, and the green swirl.

[pajaro]

I bought the hoods, barrels and sometimes caps from Kullock on ebay when he was active, usually for about $40 or less for a hood and barrel, and converted a 51 I already had. I am too cheap to buy the pens already done. As a collector I think I should be willing to do work like this myself. I started doing this when I had a number of 51s and wanted brighter colors. I think I should have done several more in orange, red and Centennial Blue. Now, at 70, I don't want to buy a lot more stuff for my wife to have to get rid of when I kick the bucket.

[proteus]

pajaro,

' I don't want to buy a lot more stuff for my wife to have to get rid of when I kick the bucket '

You can never have enough stuff.

You planning on ' kicking the bucket ' soon ?

Me, I am going to live forever !

[proteus]

I know that there 2 members here who have actually met Ariel Kullock, and possibly have him on speed dial.

Guess that they are just too busy at present to comment.

Me - still sorting through the scraps of 2006 - 2008 productions, nothing special compared to the pens shown above.
( I still like them though, to me they are rather special )

[Jon Szanto]

Guess that they are just too busy at present to comment.[/COLOR][/I]

You keep saying this in various threads. Try to keep in mind that while people may be members of a forum, they may not be active on a daily basis. It isn't uncommon for a member to pop up after weeks or months of no posting. FPG is not an extremely active forum, anyway. Inattention to your threads does not mean they are uninteresting, but may be more a result of low traffic.

[proteus]

Jon,

A great many thanks for taking the time to comment.

I greatly appreciate it.

The last thing I lack is patience.

Never realised this was a low traffic forum, it does not appear so.

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'You keep saying this in various threads.'

One example of many :

( 2 months ago ) 5th May 2019 Parker 51 C/C

First production run - no response

[Jon Szanto]

[COLOR="#000080"][I]A great many thanks for taking the time to comment.

Actually, I just got back from running errands and I'm glad to see your response: in retrospect I was worried that it might have come off in a poor tone or like a lecture. I'm glad you took it in positive spirit. Yes, there is a fair amount of traffic here but a lot of churn with newer users and not as much continual input from the older (long-time) members. Just be patient, you'd be surprised how often something will get answered down the road.

The one caveat I'll offer is this: there aren't nearly as many of the seasoned, professional members of vintage and repair areas. I know that there are a fair number that still post on FPN. When people ask about how to repair some specific arcane vintage pen/pen problem here on FPG, I cringe because I know they may not get a reply that helps. Just a thought.

[pajaro]

pajaro,

' I don't want to buy a lot more stuff for my wife to have to get rid of when I kick the bucket '

You can never have enough stuff.

You planning on ' kicking the bucket ' soon ?



Me, I am going to live forever !
At 70, with diabetes and macular generation, no telling how much longer I will be able to read. Buying the farm might happen at any time. Living forever would be great as long as I have 51s.

[proteus]

' Living forever would be great as long as I have 51s.'

Reading your reply to my comments was like being kicked in the teeth.

I trust that you understand that my comments were intended as very light hearted

[FredRydr]

Ouch!

[proteus]

Still picking my teeth up off the floor.

[proteus]

If I may, has anyone seen any the solid pastel colour aero shells ?

In cocoa, orange, yellow et al

I am guessing these are the late 2000's

Trying to decide from the scraps offered what is worth buying.

[pajaro]

' Living forever would be great as long as I have 51s.'

Reading your reply to my comments was like being kicked in the teeth.

I trust that you understand that my comments were intended as very light hearted

I didn't mean to upset you. This stuff happens, and you have to keep laughing about it, lest it should get you down.

The Kullock made pens were fun to put together, and you can learn things about 51s from changing the shell and barrel. I used to buy some Kullock parts in standard colors like midnight blue and use them to replace damaged parts from 51s. Penpartsstore on ebay has some Kullock parts now. The finished pens are a bit pricey. You can buy the shell and/or barrel in colors you might like and fit them to a 51 in colors that are duplicates in your collection. Something to think about.

[manoeuver]

I've had a few Kullock pens (including a dead ringer for that all-blue one, I might have sold that person that one.)
I have some of his caps now and they are really singular pieces of art.

I've also met Ariel at pen shows here and there. He is nice and has a beautiful family.

I don't know why he isn't doing as much any more and I won't speculate, but the work he did while he did it is a treasure trove for 51 lovers who like different stuff.

[proteus]

Many thanks to pajaro & manoeuver for their comments.

I really think some of the shells he made were very special.

If anyone else has any experience of buying any shells I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.

Any photography and comments would be great.

Many thanks

[Linkinyeah]

My humble Kullock collection. I believe he did the hammered caps and the Canadian Sterling Silver cap, which has the lines buffed out to look like a Lustraloy cap,but I have now way of being certain. The orange "shark skin" barrel has a small crack in it. The demonstrator blind cap will not line up correctly without a small gap, and the whole thing has a strange taper towards the end of the blind cap. The candy red cap and barrel both cracked on me, the material is beautiful, but super thin. I really enjoy the orange cap but I don't own a clip that will fit it, maybe a vacumatic clip will. I just put a black jewel in it that I had extra. The yellow dual pen is a vacumatic. I replaced the filler but have no desire to use it. The pencil works, the barrel needs a clutch ring and a nib, feed, and collector. If someone could use the dual pen or the red parts let me know. I would sell them. I really like the snail pen, it has a Minuskin stub and the cap is a very nice sterling silver original (I believe). Matching cap and blind cap jewel on the beige pen. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/b9e2e6b6565d16e9f129eb61262a68ca.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/1e1cae62164128f6b350b9f5823c391f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/8566ee349dc249234046c4bc378a090c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/e539c961e7d3c8a3c8c7450343c2ed1f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/0352c71e92e390dbd60c02f18df244a1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/79ae98b912c1b7f0acc606cc3615a0fb.jpg

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[FredRydr]

Wow! Those hammered-look barrels and sections are...far out!

[Linkinyeah]

Wow! Those hammered-look barrels and sections are...far out!I have seen them called shark skin and even avacado, but I don't know what Kullock referred to them as.

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[amk]

I love the Kullocks shown on this thread; I have three, a purple one, and the boring old Vac and Aero demonstrators which don't look good in a photo at all - but then having a Vac demo is ***so cooool*** to watch when you ink it.

My flashiest is the Bexley version - another fantasy 51 done in lovely rippled ebonite. Must get a picture when I get back home - I'm travelling till Sunday.

[proteus]

Linkinyeah,

What a great collection, they are amazing to look at.

Now I definitely want a few of these shells and caps.

Particularly liked pajaro's words ' The Kullock made pens were fun to put together '

Can you tell me please, with the Hammer Cap - did you just add an arrow clip, screw and jewel ?

[Linkinyeah]

Yes, or they were already on it when I bought them, I can't remember.

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[proteus]

Have been offered a couple, will possibly have them.

No clips, screws or jewels - will have find them from some damaged caps which I do not have. ( All mine are complete & mint )

If you are interested, these type of caps actually have a name.

AK called them Martelé caps

The meaning - Martelé (French; Italian martellato), literally "hammered," is a bowstroke, used when playing bowed string instruments, though the Italian martellando and martellato are also applied to piano and vocal technique, and even (by Franz Liszt) to the organ (Milsom 2002). The effect is usually produced by holding the bow against the string with pressure, then releasing it explosively to produce a sharp, biting attack with a rest between strokes (Cooke 2001). Some violinists use it when playing staccato notes.
( you have to smile, this chap is clearly well read )

[pajaro]

I love the Kullocks shown on this thread; I have three, a purple one, and the boring old Vac and Aero demonstrators which don't look good in a photo at all - but then having a Vac demo is ***so cooool*** to watch when you ink it.

My flashiest is the Bexley version - another fantasy 51 done in lovely rippled ebonite. Must get a picture when I get back home - I'm travelling till Sunday.

Those Kullocks you have are cool, as is the Bexely. I have only the barrel from the Bexley, with a black hood. There is a real value in the Vacumatic demonstrator, showing how that filler works.

[proteus]

pajaro & amk, is this a Bexley P51 ?

Made by Norman ( Bexley ? )

It is a net lift I found.

[Linkinyeah]

pajaro & amk, is this a Bexley P51 ?

Made by Norman ( Bexley ? )

It is a net lift I found.Wow that is beautiful! I didn't know that Bexley made 51 parts.

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[proteus]

Have never heard of an ebonite shells before.

For those interested -

Ebonite is a brand name for very hard rubber first obtained by vulcanizing natural rubber for prolonged periods. Besides natural rubber, Ebonite contains about 25–80% sulfur and linseed oil. Its name comes from its intended use as an artificial substitute for ebony wood.

My education continues.

I am told a green version was made too.

AK only ever used 1960's Lucite. ( The same as the Parker originals )

[Wahl]

Have been offered a couple, will possibly have them.

No clips, screws or jewels - will have find them from some damaged caps which I do not have. ( All mine are complete & mint )

If you are interested, these type of caps actually have a name.

AK called them Martelé caps

The meaning - Martelé (French; Italian martellato), literally "hammered," is a bowstroke, used when playing bowed string instruments, though the Italian martellando and martellato are also applied to piano and vocal technique, and even (by Franz Liszt) to the organ (Milsom 2002). The effect is usually produced by holding the bow against the string with pressure, then releasing it explosively to produce a sharp, biting attack with a rest between strokes (Cooke 2001). Some violinists use it when playing staccato notes.
( you have to smile, this chap is clearly well read )


In french, marteler is the action of hitting metal with a hammer, which is what AK does to produce his caps.

[proteus]

Thank you, Wahl.

My point was he dropped the ' r '

une petite nuance grammaticale.

I thought it was a clever name to give a finished cap.

[azkid]

pajaro & amk, is this a Bexley P51 ?

Made by Norman ( Bexley ? )

It is a net lift I found.Whatever it is, I want one. That is gorgeous. [emoji7]

[pajaro]

As far as I know, the shell and barrel were made by Bexley some time ago. I would think that Bexley assembled some finished pens, as Ariel Kullock did. I think all this stuff was made years ago. Possibly you could find someone else to make some new parts.

[proteus]

Over the years I have always thought of myself as a purist collector.

Very recently my opinion has changed.

I had no idea of the optional custom shells for P51's.

Have attached 3 images of Torelli pens ( these are very expensive custom versions )

They are all net lifts.

[Linkinyeah]

I just spent an hour talking to Brad Terreli yesterday on the phone. I sent him some pens to repair. He seems like a very knowledgeable and pleasant person. He certainly made some beautiful 51's for you.

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[proteus]

Some more photography of AK pens.

Thought they are worth a look ( net lift )

Like the cap on the right end

[Linkinyeah]

Is net lift a European term? I have not heard it before. I assume it refers to the Internet?

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[proteus]

Linkinyeah,

The term ' net lift ' was used by early UK web designers.

It means to transfer anything ( usually website code or images ) from one website to another.

You would have be about 50 years old + to remember, back then it was a very specialist field.

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Been looking at AK Caps.

Some are very avant garde, the Circus series.

Have attached some images, not for everyone, but they do make a statement !

[Chrissy]

Been looking at AK Caps.

Some are very avant garde, the Circus series.

Have attached some images, not for everyone, but they do make a statement !
No. Just.... no. Sorry. :(

[proteus]

Chrissy,

A great many thanks for honest comments, I greatly appreciated them.

Please can you tell me what you thought of the other ' Fantasy ' P51 shells, did you like any of them ?

[Jon Szanto]

Frankly, I prefer the artistry of the caps to any of the acrylic bodies. Well, I do like those bodies that look 'hammered', too. I've seen a couple of these caps in person and the workmanship is exquisite.

[amk]

Proteus, that P51 certainly looks very similar to the Bexley pen that I have, though mine is in a green ripple with a flash of red.

[FredRydr]

Frankly, I prefer the artistry of the caps to any of the acrylic bodies. Well, I do like those bodies that look 'hammered', too. I've seen a couple of these caps in person and the workmanship is exquisite.
Then there are his total coverage sterling overlaid 149s.

[Chrissy]

Chrissy,

A great many thanks for honest comments, I greatly appreciated them.

Please can you tell me what you thought of the other ' Fantasy ' P51 shells, did you like any of them ?
Not being a great fan of Parker 51's, I can't get excited over most of the fantasy Kullock pens. However, Jon's pen is subtle and very nice with it's gold plated cap. :)
While I was on holiday I bought a pen I had been considering for a while. It has a similar hooded nib design to the 51 but comes with a good Duofold/Sonnet style twist action converter. It's a creamy white Parker 100 with gold plated cap. I think I was lucky with the price. :wink:
It needed plenty of flushing out but after a couple of whirls through the USC it's writing very nicely. :)

[pajaro]

Some more photography of AK pens.

Thought they are worth a look ( net lift )

Like the cap on the right end

The cap on the right was called a Kamma Sutra cap by A.K. It has a depiction of a sex act around the back. At least R-rated. It is aluminum, silver clip and black design. It is about as ornate as I can stand.

[proteus]

A great many thanks for ALL the replies.

They are greatly appreciated.

Chrissy - I have always like the stylish look of the P100, just ever bought one.

amk - You mentioned ' Bexley pen that I have, though mine is in a green ripple with a flash of red. '
Are you able to show a photograph of it please. I would really like to see it.

pajaro - ' Kamma Sutra cap by A.K ' Possibly this cap is a little to risky to show here.
I did mentioned that they are avant garde !

[proteus]

Some other of AK's cap designs.

Thought that they were interesting.

Some would consider these are works of art.

Any comments please

[pajaro]

I like the Porky Pig caps. There is a lot that AK designed that I haven't seen. He took simple objects and took them much farther into works of art.

That is going a lot farther than collecting a few pens. It could be a hobby in itself.

[proteus]

pajaro,

Many thanks for your comments. ( again )

I think AK was / is vastly unrated.

Over the last few weeks I have spoken to alot of very well known UK collectors and top UK pen restorers.
They ALL own one or two of his full pens with some very special caps.

nb - I found the R rated cap version that you mentioned - 'Women from Avignon'
Not for me.

[Kudzu]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/bbeeb23016ca9f07a7c785bf0354ba27.jpg

My only purported Ariel Kullock bought at last Feb’s LA Pen Show. Sterling with Greek key design. I saw a handful of his AK caps at one seller’s table, and they are exquisite works of art. I very much liked this understated full pen, vs the single caps.


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[Sagebrush64]

Yes! Head nod to the understated look. I dig that alot!!

[terim]

We recently acquired a huge collection of Kullock Parker 51s. Fountain pens, and some rollerballs. These are mostly plastic pens, aerometric fillers, though we do have some vacumatics. There are also some oversized "Magnums" which we had not seen before.

We actually created a Kullock category .. see here (https://www.peytonstreetpens.com/pen-makers-usa-canada/ariel-kullock/).

Here are a few photos of some of the more interesting ones. We've only just gotten started with the clean-up and photography.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5ko0zosub2/product_images/description/parker/p51ak_bluemarble_4.jpg
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5ko0zosub2/product_images/description/parker/p51ak_allplastic_bluestripe_4.jpg
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5ko0zosub2/product_images/description/parker/p51ak_whitechevroncap_4.jpg
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5ko0zosub2/product_images/description/parker/p51ak_black_weavecap_4.jpg
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5ko0zosub2/product_images/description/parker/p51ak_blackpinstripe_empire_4.jpg

Please let us know if you are looking for anything in particular in the Kullock realm ..... we have hundreds of pens!

TERI

[da vinci]

Hi Teri, could you post a picture and some measurements of a “magnum” sized pen please. I am very curious 😊👍

[Doctox]

The pens are fantastic.83869