Has anyone ever seen a tool for unscrewing the torx screw inside a Bohème cap?

[Chrissy]

I think I once saw something that looked like a torx E type female socket on the end of a screwdriver that might have worked to unscrew the torx screw down inside the Bohème cap. It's possible I might have dreamt it but wondered if any of you repair experts out there have ever managed to unscrew the screw inside a Bohème cap?

So far I've tried extra long E torx sockets but even the 1/4" version fouls at the opening of the cap and won't reach down inside as far as the screw. Apart from getting the right E socket then grinding it down on the 1/4" end I can't think of any other way of getting this screw loose so if anyone has ever done it and has some sort of a tool for doing it please let me know. Thanks. :)

[grainweevil]

Could it be a "Torx nut driver" you saw? For example (http://www.chainbin.com/product-10-PCS-E-TORX-NUT-DRIVER-SET-031-A839410.html).

[Chrissy]

Could it be a "Torx nut driver" you saw? For example (http://www.chainbin.com/product-10-PCS-E-TORX-NUT-DRIVER-SET-031-A839410.html).
Yes that's the type of thing I saw. Thank you. There doesn't seem to be a way to buy that set online.

[Fermata]

Hi Chrissy

There is an ebay seller who offers Torq nuts drivers in T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T10, T15, andT20, the set costs £8.33 inc postage and the tool has a long shaft for getting to the end of the cap.

Have you had a look on Screwfix, they often have less common tools.

[FredRydr]

This is the screw head you see inside the cap?

https://www.fastenerdata.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/180x180/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/imdin34800.jpg

[Fermata]

I think it will be Fred, Chrissy was looking for a female fitting at the end of the tool.

I am thinking of a miniature socket on the end of T bar.

[Chrissy]

This is the screw head you see inside the cap?

https://www.fastenerdata.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/180x180/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/imdin34800.jpg

Yes that is the torx screw head that is inside the Bohème cap. :) Apart from the fact that the Bohème version has a rod sticking out of the middle of it. So the nut would need to be hollow.

[Chrissy]

I think it will be Fred, Chrissy was looking for a female fitting at the end of the tool.

I am thinking of a miniature socket on the end of T bar.
Thank you but Fred is correct. :) I am definitely looking for a female socket fitting on the end of the tool. It's probably E6 size but I can't be sure as I haven't been able to get anything in there to measure it and I don't know the exact sizes of the sockets.

I have tried specific tool manufacturers in the UK. None of them has any female torx socket tools on the end of anything like a screwdriver shaft. The set that grainweevil suggests looks like it might contain something that might possibly work, but it comes from China and it might be a hex end not a torx end.

[Chrissy]

This must be the one I originally saw. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HAZET-2565-E6-TORX-FEMALE-NUT-DRIVER-10-LONG-MADE-IN-GERMANY/261457631545?epid=1129690151&hash=item3ce016d939:g:jaMAAOxy0x1TUuRF)

Sadly it's in the US and in the Global Shipping programme. Not a possible purchase while I'm at home.

[Fermata]

I think it will be Fred, Chrissy was looking for a female fitting at the end of the tool.

I am thinking of a miniature socket on the end of T bar.
Thank you but Fred is correct. :) I am definitely looking for a female socket fitting on the end of the tool. It's probably E6 size but I can't be sure as I haven't been able to get anything in there to measure it and I don't know the exact sizes of the sockets.

I have tried specific tool manufacturers in the UK. None of them has any female socket tools on the end of anything like a screwdriver shaft. The set that grainweevil suggests looks like it might contain something that might possibly work, but it comes from China.

Yes I thought he was, when I was saying about a miniature socket I was thinking about the sort of tool you would need. There is an ebay seller with delivery in 3 days, my concern would be that the socket could be a bit fat to fit inside the cap.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FEMALE-TORX-STAR-SOCKET-SET-E4-E5-E6-E7-E8-E10-E12-E14-E16-E18-E-Torque-Tools-/261864619215

[Chrissy]

I think it will be Fred, Chrissy was looking for a female fitting at the end of the tool.

I am thinking of a miniature socket on the end of T bar.
Thank you but Fred is correct. :) I am definitely looking for a female socket fitting on the end of the tool. It's probably E6 size but I can't be sure as I haven't been able to get anything in there to measure it and I don't know the exact sizes of the sockets.

I have tried specific tool manufacturers in the UK. None of them has any female socket tools on the end of anything like a screwdriver shaft. The set that grainweevil suggests looks like it might contain something that might possibly work, but it comes from China.

Yes I thought he was, there is an ebay seller with delivery in 3 days, my concern would be that the socket could be a bit fat to fit inside the cap

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FEMALE-TORX-STAR-SOCKET-SET-E4-E5-E6-E7-E8-E10-E12-E14-E16-E18-E-Torque-Tools-/261864619215
Yes bought a similar set that's extra long. However they are not long enough on the rod in front of the 1/4" shaft. The 1/4" diameter shaft fouls at the cap edge.
The E6 end needs to be about 90ml long before it gets to the 1/4" shaft.

[Orlybag]

That looks certainly like a Torx driver, and I'm wondering if you managed to buy one and where. I had a friend who gave me his, but it was messed up and old making it impossible to work with. Most of the tools have been acquired with really thorough searches and market comparison as I tend to avoid overspending on such luxuries or necessities. Call them what you want but I'm the tool scout (https://thetoolscout.com/best-impact-driver/) when it comes to finding real bargains; be it a chain saw or a screwdriver there is only one place I go to!

[Chrissy]

That looks certainly like a Torx driver, and I'm wondering if you managed to buy one and where.
No I've never managed to buy one mainly because I don't know what size I need.

[ralfstc]

I assume this (https://www.walmart.com/ip/VIM-Tools-NDE100-10-Piece-Long-E-Torx-Nut-Driver-Set/52655338) might be the kind of thing you need? They do seem to be out there, but not cheap and not common.

Exchange and Mart used to have pages of cool tools, back in the day. I'd probably try any retail establishment with tool catalogues. Halfords might be the easiest. Torx are also used in computers, but are pretty darn small in that case.

Also, you might consider seeing if you can get a loan of the right tool from any place which might have it. Often a couple of quid for a cup of coffee can save a lot of grief. If there is a technical college nearby, they tend to have everything because the folk working there love tools :-)

Good luck,

Ralf

[Chrissy]

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[Wile E Coyote]

That looks certainly like a Torx driver, and I'm wondering if you managed to buy one and where.
No I've never managed to buy one mainly because I don't know what size I need.

Not knowing the size ,you could get a set of precision torx drivers. I like the Wiha drivers since they have a fairly long shaft and the front of the handle is tapered enough to fit into tight spaces.
https://media.wihatools.com/media/catalog/product/cache/804b1f9f73984fa40019e3d09d1fc8b3/2/6/26792_1.jpg

[Chrissy]

Thanks Wile, these are fairly easy to obtain. But they are male torx ends. I need that shape outline on the inside of a tube to go all of the way around a torx topped screw with an extending rod built into the centre. A female torx.

[KrazyIvan]

So, I use this set in my line of work https://amzn.to/3aFX1YV (sponsored link) and it has an extension handle that comes in handy for tight spaces. I have been able to undo that style of nut with a bit in my set that looks like a fork. I just don't know if it would be the right size for your needs.

[Chrissy]

I believe the fork type screwdriver used to work in previous Bohèmes. But This is the kind of hex nut tool (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=261457631545&_sacat=0) I'm searching for. If it didn't have to have Global Shipping that almost doubled the total price I would have bought it. He won't ship it by 1st Class International. I already asked. Also, I don't know what size it is nor what size I need.

[FredRydr]

Those annoying external torx "E-types"! (No, not Jaguar.) An E6 is certainly too large (my E6 is 8.9mm O.D. across and 5.5mm point-to-point). Apparently the smallest that's readily available is an E2, measuring 1.42mm point-to-point. Measure the inside diameter of the cap against the outside diameter of available drivers, anticipating that you'll have to remove some of the drivers' circumference walls to fit down inside the cap, a job for a machinist and his lathe. When the tool costs more than paying to have the pen serviced once, is it a wise investment, especially if you have to buy more than one to find the right size? After all, several drivers may have to be turned down to fit inside the cap to enable you to finally determine which is the right size.

I wonder if Dale at Pentooling already offers something. He likes custom pen tools.

[Farmboy]

Wiha 29590

[Wile E Coyote]

Thanks Wile, these are fairly easy to obtain. But they are male torx ends. I need that shape outline on the inside of a tube to go all of the way around a torx topped screw with an extending rod built into the centre. A female torx.

I guess I should have read the whole thread. What you're looking for is a T handle E-Torx nut driver and they're not that inexpensive ($10-$60 USD). They have a thin wall socket on the end and don't flare like a 1/4" bit does.

You could try to match the size to a regular torx driver then get the appropriate size. One way to do this is to take a small tube, place a piece of clay in the end to make an impression and match to a regular torx bit.

If it's possible, you could also measure the point to point distance and get the correct size.

You could also try Wreck Tools :)

[Chrissy]

Those annoying external torx "E-types"! (No, not Jaguar.) An E6 is certainly too large (my E6 is 8.9mm O.D. across and 5.5mm point-to-point). Apparently the smallest that's readily available is an E2, measuring 1.42mm point-to-point. Measure the inside diameter of the cap against the outside diameter of available drivers, anticipating that you'll have to remove some of the drivers' circumference walls to fit down inside the cap, a job for a machinist and his lathe. When the tool costs more than paying to have the pen serviced once, is it a wise investment, especially if you have to buy more than one to find the right size? After all, several drivers may have to be turned down to fit inside the cap to enable you to finally determine which is the right size.

I wonder if Dale at Pentooling already offers something. He likes custom pen tools.




I guess I should have read the whole thread. What you're looking for is a T handle E-Torx nut driver and they're not that inexpensive ($10-$60 USD). They have a thin wall socket on the end and don't flare like a 1/4" bit does.

You could try to match the size to a regular torx driver then get the appropriate size. One way to do this is to take a small tube, place a piece of clay in the end to make an impression and match to a regular torx bit.

If it's possible, you could also measure the point to point distance and get the correct size.

You could also try Wreck Tools :)
Thanks Fred. You saved me from buying one that's too big. :) I've looked on Dales website but nothing similar is listed. Not sure I will ever get one.

Wile, I've considered trying to get some moulding stuff down there to get the right size but am a bit scared of getting it stuck.

[Chrissy]

Wiha 29590
I'm not sure I know what this is?

[KrazyIvan]

Everywhere I look, E4 seems to be the smallest size available, which is 3.8mm The problem is they are all 1/4" drive which I am guessing is too big to get inside the cap. I checked with one of our suppliers and he pointed me to this but I still think the neck may not be long enough. https://www.grainger.com/product/46C158?ef_id=Cj0KCQjwyZmEBhCpARIsALIzmnIr21Dqi64kq GkIGii6HKVXc5JL_zHq_WyKoBv0QCT-Z9K2J5mnjrwaAnI_EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!264955915862!!!g!461779184394!&gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyZmEBhCpARIsALIzmnIr21Dqi64kqGkIGii6 HKVXc5JL_zHq_WyKoBv0QCT-Z9K2J5mnjrwaAnI_EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I tried looking for an E2 version with no luck.

[Farmboy]

Wiha 29590
I'm not sure I know what this is?
I have a set of miniature Torx nut drivers and the box says Wiha 29590 but google thinks those are hex head drivers Might be #76490 but that one is out of stock.

[FredRydr]

What E-torx sizes are marked on each of those miniature drivers in your set?

[Wile E Coyote]

Wiha 29590
I'm not sure I know what this is?
I have a set of miniature Torx nut drivers and the box says Wiha 29590 but google thinks those are hex head drivers Might be #76490 but that one is out of stock.

Even Wiha thinks that's a nutdriver set.

[Wile E Coyote]

Here's an outside the box idea...get the corresponding Torx screw, epoxy it into a metal tube and make your own e torx driver.

[FredRydr]

Here's an outside the box idea...get the corresponding Torx screw, epoxy it into a metal tube and make your own e torx driver.

Which size?

[Wile E Coyote]

Here's an outside the box idea...get the corresponding Torx screw, epoxy it into a metal tube and make your own e torx driver.

Which size?

Do you have the cap in question?

[FredRydr]

Here's an outside the box idea...get the corresponding Torx screw, epoxy it into a metal tube and make your own e torx driver.

Which size?

Do you have the cap in question?
No. Chrissy does.

[Chrissy]

I have the cap. Are you saying I can make some corresponding ridged shapes on the inside edge of a metal tube that will make it slot over the Torx screw?

[Chrissy]

Wiha 29590
I'm not sure I know what this is?
I have a set of miniature Torx nut drivers and the box says Wiha 29590 but google thinks those are hex head drivers Might be #76490 but that one is out of stock.
I've had no trouble at all finding Hex nut drivers or spinners. The problem is finding Torx nut spinners especially when I don't know which size the Torx screw is.

[Kismet]

I know these seem cheap and of questionable origin, but these may work: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142647611544

Also, try searches that focus on tools for electronics/computers, as you may have more luck finding what you want/need.

I also found some thin-walled sockets on this tool company's UK site: https://eumro.co.uk/eumro-tx-3406-apex-3-8-square-drive-torx-socket-for-external-torx-screws-thin-wall.aspx

Hope something turns up for you soon!

[Chrissy]

I know these seem cheap and of questionable origin, but these may work: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142647611544

Also, try searches that focus on tools for electronics/computers, as you may have more luck finding what you want/need.

I also found some thin-walled sockets on this tool company's UK site: https://eumro.co.uk/eumro-tx-3406-apex-3-8-square-drive-torx-socket-for-external-torx-screws-thin-wall.aspx

Hope something turns up for you soon!
Thanks. :) The cheap ones on ebay are Hex nut drivers, so no good. The Eumro ones are Torx but all too big. I need a smaller one E-4 probably.

[Wile E Coyote]

I have the cap. Are you saying I can make some corresponding ridged shapes on the inside edge of a metal tube that will make it slot over the Torx screw?

No, I am suggesting getting a screw that requires the regular torx driver, then using that screw as a driver for the e torx screw in your cap.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjrFFf9bR8WF9XI50AJ6BKtzYIVxS lu_t8gz809rGHsi83sI2LXx4dKq4HqXvtOlDk6YQ0Oso87Ji7b i7ppx3ngLobQaIuAWRsCi4MD8Q&usqp=CAc
This can be glued into a tube and used as a wrench. There are better methods, but would require significantly more work and this would provide a quick easy solution.

[FredRydr]

...This can be glued into a tube and used as a wrench. There are better methods, but would require significantly more work and this would provide a quick easy solution.
Agreed. Of course, the head of the screw has to fit down the length of the cap, so choose wisely to make the spanner. Take the cap to the hardware/ironmongers to drop them in. Oops! One gets stuck!

Chrissy simply needs Farmboy's info on his external E-torx mini-driver set.

[Farmboy]

...This can be glued into a tube and used as a wrench. There are better methods, but would require significantly more work and this would provide a quick easy solution.
Agreed. Of course, the head of the screw has to fit down the length of the cap, so choose wisely to make the spanner. Take the cap to the hardware/ironmongers to drop them in. Oops! One gets stuck!

Chrissy simply needs Farmboy's info on his external E-torx mini-driver set.

I called our distributor for tools...the E Torx drivers are 'not in stock' with 'no estimated back order'.

[Kismet]

Oops! on the ebay mistake... missed that they were Hex even though I did a "Torx" search.

EUMRO does make an E4 size in their 1/4" Square Drive Sockets. Not sure it will work due to its shape/size for your pen opening but... they do taper down. Check them out here: https://eumro.co.uk/apex-square-drive-torx-sockets-eumro.aspx

Here: https://eumro.co.uk/apex-1-4-square-drive-torx-sockets-for-external-torx-screws-thin-wall-eumro.aspx
or Here: https://eumro.co.uk/apex-1-4-square-drive-torx-sockets-for-external-torx-screws-eumro.aspx

I also located this set, which has a flexible shaft that may be useful. It's a bit pricey and the smallest is E4 so if you need something smaller, it won't help, but even so, worth a look: https://www.amazon.co.uk/CTA-Tools-8960-Torx-Driver/dp/B07CZRRN51

Here is the manufacturer's website link: https://www.ctatools.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1746

Best of luck! Wish I owned a Bohème pen to measure... challenging with a tapered opening to figure out what size/shape will work.

[Chrissy]

Thanks. :) I agree one of those might work. It might be worth me getting E4 and E5 sizes.

[Kismet]

Thanks. :) I agree one of those might work. It might be worth me getting E4 and E5 sizes.

Best of luck! :):)

[FredRydr]

So, did you get it apart?

[Chrissy]

So, did you get it apart?
Sadly no. :( Never managed to find anything that would unscrew the torx headed screw that is inside. I managed to make something in plastic that looked like it had pushed in but it wouldn't unscrew it. :blink: