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Ole Juul
November 30th, 2020, 01:00 PM
I went to school in British Columbia in the 50s and 60s and we were taught the MacLean Method. I just decided to go for a stroll down memory lane and found the actual book on the Internet Archive (https://ia803004.us.archive.org/30/items/HTMacleanMethWrit45/HT_MacleanMethWrit_4-5.pdf). What a nostalgia hit for me!

We had exercise books and spent a little time carefully learning the method in grade four. I remember that year, Mr. MacLean actually came to my class and gave a talk. I think back, how special was that! I didn't think so then, but I read now that he was from Victoria, just across the water, so it made sense that he would tour the Vancouver school system to promote his method, and handwriting in general.

Back in my school days, I embraced the method and practiced it for some years after, until my writing became more and more print style and eventually ended up in my own totally straight print. Part of that was that I'm not really a fan of calligraphy or cursive writing, but even more that it was actually easier (at least for me) to write clearly that way. I also had started to develop a deep interest in letter press and typography. Cursive writing just didn't satisfy my need for readability - especially the desire to positively communicate writing to anybody. Series of mixed numbers and letters, like we see nowadays, cannot be positively reproduced, and I shudder to think of trying to read a list of passwords in cursive. Times have changed.

I remember reading letters from my grandmother, and others who go back to the 1800s. I didn't have a problem. Nor did they have a problem reading my response. Both my parents wrote lots of letters, and it was in cursive. Though funnily enough, my dad's writing gradually changed to printing as he got older. My mother always wrote in cursive and it was very fluid, to the point that it was difficult to read, even then. I still remember as a child trying to decipher a grocery list where she had written "cardemumme" (the Danish word for cardamon). As well, her "u" and "i", and other letters, were virtually indistinguishable. It was however, as I said, very fluid and consistent. Actually very beautiful in its own way. My parents are of course long gone, and now I'm just left with reading their old letters and note books. It's a bit hard, but I work at it.

The MacLean method was not pretty. Even the best examples look clunky to me. So now that I've gotten a deeper interest in pen and ink, I thought I'd try it again. Surprisingly it didn't take long to remember. Still, I don't like joining letters, and the whole idea of cursive just doesn't inspire me. I might still try it a bit more though. It will help re-coordinate my aging muscles, and perhaps help my reading of old letters too.

Here is an excellent story about the history of The Maclean Method in Canada.
(https://tomhawthorn.blogspot.com/2010/05/millions-of-unhappy-children-learned.html)

Regards,
Ole

Yazeh
November 30th, 2020, 03:17 PM
I remember reading letters from my grandmother, and others who go back to the 1800s.


I am a bit confused....I'm sure you meant 1900s? ;) :D


I didn't have a problem. Nor did they have a problem reading my response.
Both my parents wrote lots of letters, and it was in cursive. Though funnily enough, my dad's writing gradually changed to printing as he got older. My mother always wrote in cursive and it was very fluid, to the point that it was difficult to read, even then. I still remember as a child trying to decipher a grocery list where she had written "cardemumme" (the Danish word for cardamon). As well, her "u" and "i", and other letters, were virtually indistinguishable. It was however, as I said, very fluid and consistent. Actually very beautiful in its own way. My parents are of course long gone, and now I'm just left with reading their old letters and note books. It's a bit hard, but I work at it.

From what I've seen of most letters written by 1950s most letters were written in "cursive" styles. Definitely the ones of XIXth century..... :D I recall I once came upon a 19th century letter from France to Australia in the 19th century. The handwriting was exquisite. So, in some ways you could read the cursive handwriting. :)




The MacLean method was not pretty. Even the best examples look clunky to me. So now that I've gotten a deeper interest in pen and ink, I thought I'd try it again. Surprisingly it didn't take long to remember.

I find the handwriting style cringe worthy... I don't know. Though I love cursive with flourishes... :)

arrow
November 30th, 2020, 03:34 PM
This method has to be based on Spencerian? One of the Spencer brothers had this idea to form a writing that was quick and easy, with a close to a continuous line as possible. He worked out a set of strokes with slanted lines, curves and ovals, very technical. He looked at waves on the sea and tried to make the writing flow in the same natural way. The Spencerian basic penmanship is pratically the same as your MacLean method, and others like the Palmer method. With the Spencerian penmanship you were more or less expected to advance to business type writing, ladies hand, and various decorative versions of it. These had more swirls and a bit of shading here and there.

With hand writing, I think other ideals set in at some point, simple, quick and easy being one of them. Another I have heard, was to start with the basic cursive, and gradually develop a more individual style. I like the cursive Spencerian, very flowing with the continuous line, at least compared to Copperplate and English round hand it can be used for everyday writing.

The MacLean name is new to me, very interesting.

Ole Juul
November 30th, 2020, 03:44 PM
I am a bit confused....I'm sure you meant 1900s? ;) :D

My grand parents were born in the 19th century. They learnt to write before 1900.


I find the handwriting style cringe worthy... I don't know. Though I love cursive with flourishes... :)

I do too. It's not pretty, and it bothers me that many of the letters are not compatible with other styles, like ones used in Europe.

It is almost the same as the American Palmer Method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Method) though. So at least there is a continental standard.

Edit to add: I guess you didn't realize I was old. :)

arrow
November 30th, 2020, 04:54 PM
It's not too bad really. As mentioned, I think it is meant to naturally develop into a more personalised style, at least it was encurraged many places. Remember this is the simplifed basic, the every day writing, and for many the first. If you try to neaten or improve your writing, this is pretty much the basic we go back to. Some styles go for all parallel slants and strokes, this style has two slant angles one for the main strokes, and one for the connective strokes. It's very fluent and technical, all aimed for speed and ease. There are all kinds of styles, and if you compare it to English roundhand it is much easier. With round hand you have to practice a larger number of strokes, very carefully done on the paper. Everyday writing naturally becomes simplifed.

Yazeh
November 30th, 2020, 08:10 PM
My grand parents were born in the 19th century. They learnt to write before 1900.

My apolgogies. I guess the late 1800s would have made more sense, to me. It doesn't help that I was reading an anecdote on the ink book I mentioned, about the author's great-great uncle who voyaged in the early 1800s from New York to Sacramento by stage coach :D




Edit to add: I guess you didn't realize I was old. :)

To misquote the bard, what is a name? :)

Empty_of_Clouds
November 30th, 2020, 09:08 PM
You know, I have no idea what method was used to teach children how to write in my early years. By the age of 5 I could already form most letters, as could a lot of children, but there was definitely a method applied at primary school. Part of this method involved some odd pairings: double "o" was indicated by something that looked like a lower-case omega with a loop in the centre, double "e" was a pair of the letter "c" with a horizontal line through the middle, and if the letters "a" and "e" fell in that order (such as in aesthetic) they were joined in the middle, double "f" and "t" shared a horizontal line.

Letters were upright, rounded, but not cursive.

This was back in 1970, in the UK. It is possible that different regions of the country used different methods, maybe even different towns/cities in the same regions, but that's the one that was used at my school in Southwest England at the time.

Ole Juul
November 30th, 2020, 09:13 PM
@Yazeh: No apologies needed, of course. Yes it would have been better if I wrote "late 1800s". I was thinking about how far back my awareness reached. I should see what I can find of my grandfathers earliest writing. I wish I was back in Denmark where I might easily find it. He apparently was helping his dad with municipal documents when he was four, and years later when he himself became involved in municipal affairs was amused to see his own childhood writing on some documents. I wonder what kind of pen he was writing with then. I assume a dip pen. He was born in '82 so that would have been 1886.

My grandmother was about the same age as him. I have letters from her from the 50s. I would think her writing was of the style she had learnt when younger, and she had been a school teacher before she got married so would be a fairly standard style, I would think.

But no doubt he used a fountain pen in 1968 when he died. I was staying in his house at that time, but I just wasn't paying attention to that. My grandmother gave me his mechanical pencil though. That wasn't very old (at the time), but the nicest one I've ever seen. Of course I'm somewhat prejudiced.

An old bloke
November 30th, 2020, 10:18 PM
'...and if the letters "a" and "e" fell in that order (such as in aesthetic) they were joined in the middle...'

Most English speaking countries except the US use this form I believe. It is a carryover from the Latin. See: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/70927/how-is-%C3%A6-supposed-to-be-pronounced#:~:text=In%20Old%20English%2C%20ae%20an d%20%C3%A6%20were%20used,with%20the%20name%20%22as h%22%20%28in%20Old%20English%2C%20%22%C3%A6sc%22%2 9.

Empty_of_Clouds
November 30th, 2020, 10:58 PM
You're no doubt correct. It's difficult for me to remember anything precisely when it is 50 years ago! :)

Inkflow
December 1st, 2020, 12:20 AM
What’s noteworthy IMO is the shape of the MacLean capital T and F, which differ from Palmer or Zaner-Bloser. Much less swirly, more workaday.

Brilliant Bill
December 1st, 2020, 06:30 AM
Looks about the same as the Palmer Method that nuns used to torture me in the 1950s. And the "exercises" mentioned seem about the same too. As soon as I got away from the nuns I taught myself to print and used that most of my life. I still use the cursive with fountain pens, but I prefer printing, and the printing is visually far more appealing.

The Palmer Method was developed to "improve" business efficiency. It is supposed to be faster than printing -- as you do not have to raise the pen from paper. One more reason to hate the whole concept of business efficiency. From one of my favorite comedians, Bill Hicks:

You know what I hate about working? Bosses. That's what I hate... 'Hicks, how come you're not working.' I'd go, 'There's nothing to do.' 'Well, you pretend like you're working.'
'Well, why don't you pretend I'm working? Yeah, you get paid more than me, you fantasize. Pretend I'm mopping. Knock yourself out. I'll pretend they're buying stuff; we can close up. I'm the boss now, you're fired. How's that?

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 08:47 AM
'...and if the letters "a" and "e" fell in that order (such as in aesthetic) they were joined in the middle...'

Most English speaking countries except the US use this form I believe. It is a carryover from the Latin. See: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/70927/how-is-%C3%A6-supposed-to-be-pronounced#:~:text=In%20Old%20English%2C%20ae%20an d%20%C3%A6%20were%20used,with%20the%20name%20%22as h%22%20%28in%20Old%20English%2C%20%22%C3%A6sc%22%2 9.

I don't really get what you're saying. The vowel ligatures aren't just joined because the happen to fall together. They're a separate letter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_ligature), though some may have started as two letters. The double "v" (pronounced "double u" in English) is one such. The letters æ (ae), ø (oe), and å (aa) are part of the Danish alphabet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_language#Writing_system_and_alphabet). The æ and oe are called ash and oethel in English, and you don't have to go back very far to see them more. But I don't think you would normally join the individual letters to make the new letter. I think that would be confusing. There's also stylistic ligatures in typesetting, but that's to get clarity in type for printing and not for writing.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ligature_drawing.svg/149px-Ligature_drawing.svg.png

TSherbs
December 1st, 2020, 08:57 AM
That MacLean method script looks pretty similar to what I was taught in Pennsylvania in the mid-60s. Hated every minute of it. But it had some usefulness.

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 09:11 AM
There was an interesting variant of the letter "t" when occurring at the end of a line. I don't know if it was in the book, but Mr. MacLean showed us. In such a case, you didn't have to cross the t but simple finish with an upward curved stroke. I found an example here:

http://cgs.pw/stuff/Final-t-MacLean.jpg

kaliuzhkin
December 1st, 2020, 09:20 AM
There was an interesting variant of the letter "t" when occurring at the end of a line. I don't know if it was in the book, but Mr. MacLean showed us. In such a case, you didn't have to cross the t but simple finish with an upward curved stroke. I found an example here:

http://cgs.pw/stuff/Final-t-MacLean.jpg

Where?

BTW, Michael Sull has it also, American Cursive Handwriting (student edition) pg. 37.

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 09:43 AM
Where?

BTW, Michael Sull has it also, American Cursive Handwriting (student edition) pg. 37.

What do you mean "where"? The second and the last word in the last line. Or did you mean where did I find it? It was on a blog (https://www.ritewhileucan.com/vintage-handwriting-101/), and I took a piece of the image and put in on my own server to show here.

I couldn't find a full copy of Sull's book online, but I'm assuming that there is an example of the same kind of final "t" on page 37. That is very interesting. So it's not unique to MacLean.

edit: It just occurred to me that you might have missed that I said Mr. MacLean, the man who wrote the method, is the one that told me when I was in school. That's my only authority on this, but I think it is a valid one. :)

kaliuzhkin
December 1st, 2020, 11:21 AM
What do you mean "where"? The second and the last word in the last line. Or did you mean where did I find it? It was on a blog (https://www.ritewhileucan.com/vintage-handwriting-101/), and I took a piece of the image and put in on my own server to show here.

I couldn't find a full copy of Sull's book online, but I'm assuming that there is an example of the same kind of final "t" on page 37. That is very interesting. So it's not unique to MacLean.

edit: It just occurred to me that you might have missed that I said Mr. MacLean, the man who wrote the method, is the one that told me when I was in school. That's my only authority on this, but I think it is a valid one. :)

Your post (#15) ends: "I found an example here:" However, there isn't any link after the colon or on "example" or "here". That's what I mean by "where?" I'd like to see what you're referring to with this alternative t.

With all due respect, Michael Sull does not claim the style he presents is original. Rather, "This course teaches the established forms of cursive handwriting that were taught during the first half of the 20th century... ." He adds "Because many penmen taught this form of writing in years passed, I have called it 'American Cursive' rather than attributing the style to any one individual." American Cursive Handwriting, Michael R. Sull, pg. 80. In contrast, AFAIK, the style MacLean presents is considered his style.

Its exciting that you were taught by MacLean himself during the short period when he was productive.

Yazeh
December 1st, 2020, 12:16 PM
Ole, what was the pen you used by the way? Fountain pens or dip pens?

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 02:31 PM
Your post (#15) ends: "I found an example here:" However, there isn't any link after the colon or on "example" or "here". That's what I mean by "where?" I'd like to see what you're referring to with this alternative t.


I'm referring to that image, which I found on on some random blog while searching. Sorry if my phrasing was confusing. :)

I just wanted to show the "final t" without having to write it myself and send a picture. So I went on the net and found some person's exercise sheet and edited the image for this example.

Sull's book is available as a pdf download I think, so I'll try to get it. I does sound like he is an expert on American hand writing and, to my way of thinking, actual common usage is the thing to look at.

I don't think Mr. MacLean was very original. Especially now that I see the Palmer method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Method) looks almost identical and was much earlier. I think he basically copied all of it. Of course there's nothing wrong with that, especially since it was already some sort of standard, and the object was to introduce a standard to Canadian schools and get some kind of commonality to the way students were writing.

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 02:34 PM
Ole, what was the pen you used by the way? Fountain pens or dip pens?

Not mine. My only claim is that I edited and clarified the picture so I could show the "t". lol Check out the blog (https://www.ritewhileucan.com/vintage-handwriting-101/).

arrow
December 1st, 2020, 03:34 PM
For some reason I learned a modified version of Spencerian in school. The capital letters, the slanted ovals, the main and connective strokes, are spot on; b, f, h, k took all of the space between the lines on the page, (3/3); d, t and p were 2/3 tall; a, c 1/3 tall. The only difference to the original Spencerian was the "r", and we were given a second alternative for the basic Spencerian "t". We were also given the option to either write the decorative Spencerian capitals, or something more close the basic print letter. We have the letters æ,ø,å, and there was a standard for them too. I know a more simplifed "school" cursive was tougth too.

Here is a simple version of what we were tought here in Norway, I don't think pupils are tought cursive anymore. It shows the alternative shape for "r" and "t". I guess this is the writing of a child who has practiced a bit.

https://denmagiskekoden3.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/alfabet-i-lc3b8kke.gif?w=687

kaliuzhkin
December 1st, 2020, 04:15 PM
I'm referring to that image, which I found on on some random blog while searching. Sorry if my phrasing was confusing. :)
...

I don't think Mr. MacLean was very original. Especially now that I see the Palmer method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Method) looks almost identical and was much earlier. I think he basically copied all of it. Of course there's nothing wrong with that, especially since it was already some sort of standard, and the object was to introduce a standard to Canadian schools and get some kind of commonality to the way students were writing.

Your phrasing isn't confusing. My problem is that there's no image on my computer. Can you provide a link to the blog?

Another topic: it seems to me that different regions each develop their own style of cursive writing for the purpose of teaching children how to write. They don't acknowledge other styles, even if they build on it. MacLean doesn't seem to acknowledge Spencer or Palmer. Then there's Copperplate, Zaner-Bloser, S'Nealian, and Getty-Dubay. Iceland developed its own style which looks the same as American cursive, but they don't acknowledge that. (Except Grondal, Handwriting Models does.) I found a helpful book in the bookstore.The Lost Art of Handwriting by Brenna Jordan, which makes no reference to Spencer or Palmer. Rather, it looks like school districts would rather reinvent the wheel of teaching handwriting.

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 05:27 PM
Your phrasing isn't confusing. My problem is that there's no image on my computer. Can you provide a link to the blog?
Of course. Here is the link to the "rite while u can" blog (https://www.ritewhileucan.com/vintage-handwriting-101/). And here is a direct link to my image taken from there: http://cgs.pw/stuff/Final-t-MacLean.jpg



Another topic: it seems to me that different regions each develop their own style of cursive writing for the purpose of teaching children how to write. They don't acknowledge other styles, even if they build on it. MacLean doesn't seem to acknowledge Spencer or Palmer. Then there's Copperplate, Zaner-Bloser, S'Nealian, and Getty-Dubay. Iceland developed its own style which looks the same as American cursive, but they don't acknowledge that. (Except Grondal, Handwriting Models does.) I found a helpful book in the bookstore.The Lost Art of Handwriting by Brenna Jordan, which makes no reference to Spencer or Palmer.

Indeed. There is no acknowledgement of the larger view. That seems counter to the ideals of education to me.


Rather, it looks like school districts would rather reinvent the wheel of teaching handwriting.

There is prestige and personal pride in education and it can get in the way. Also, at least in more modern times, there is a good reason for someone to make their own system and book - there is a lot of money in selling educational material to school boards.

Yazeh
December 1st, 2020, 07:33 PM
Ole, what was the pen you used by the way? Fountain pens or dip pens?

Not mine. My only claim is that I edited and clarified the picture so I could show the "t". lol Check out the blog (https://www.ritewhileucan.com/vintage-handwriting-101/).

Sorry, I meant what type of pen you used I school, when you did the MacLean method?
I know in France they used dip pens till 65, so I guess yours was such?

Ole Juul
December 1st, 2020, 08:04 PM
Sorry, I meant what type of pen you used I school, when you did the MacLean method?
I know in France they used dip pens till 65, so I guess yours was such?

I went to school in Canada from 1957 and at that time it was all ballpoint. The first school I went to was an old one and I did see holes in the desks, some of which still had ink wells. However it looked like it had been a year or two since they were used. The ballpoints however were shaped like dip pens. They were provided, as were pencils and notebooks. Just a few years later, nothing was provided except books of course. This was the Vancouver School Board, which would mostly set policy for the rest of the province. I have no idea what was done in other provinces of Canada.

By the way, I made a mistake in the original post, it was in grade five (not four) that Mr. MacLean came. Although I guess writing was taught from grade four. Earlier grades were print only. We didn't use the word cursive here. We just said "writing", as opposed to "printing".

Yazeh
December 2nd, 2020, 12:37 PM
Thanks Ole, makes sense. My memory of my schooling daysare rather sketchy, but I believe we had to use fountain pens. I believe I had a Geha, which I bent the nib... :D
I remember vaguely using dip pens for mandatory calligraphy course but that was short lived...
Practicng with dip pen has mediative effect...
Ted Bishop, in ink also speaks of that extensively, in Chinese calligraphy.....
I believe the instrument here as important and as method :)

INeedAFinancialAdvisor
June 22nd, 2021, 08:29 PM
Another topic: it seems to me that different regions each develop their own style of cursive writing for the purpose of teaching children how to write. They don't acknowledge other styles, even if they build on it. MacLean doesn't seem to acknowledge Spencer or Palmer. Then there's Copperplate, Zaner-Bloser, S'Nealian, and Getty-Dubay. Iceland developed its own style which looks the same as American cursive, but they don't acknowledge that. (Except Grondal, Handwriting Models does.) I found a helpful book in the bookstore.The Lost Art of Handwriting by Brenna Jordan, which makes no reference to Spencer or Palmer.

Indeed. There is no acknowledgement of the larger view. That seems counter to the ideals of education to me.


Rather, it looks like school districts would rather reinvent the wheel of teaching handwriting.

There is prestige and personal pride in education and it can get in the way. Also, at least in more modern times, there is a good reason for someone to make their own system and book - there is a lot of money in selling educational material to school boards.

I strongly suspect this is for a few reasons:
1) copyright. Completely agreeing with the above statement. Palmer didn't exactly give away the books... but if you were "deeply influenced" by his style and came up with your own method, well, you could price it slightly cheaper... and make a mint :)
2) Canadian obsession with "canadianizing" things. (note this seems to only apply to Governments who spend someone else's money in an attempt to boost their approval rate)
See: Ross Rifle; or
See: "A Soldier First" By Gen.(Ret) Rick Hiller's story about the gun sights on the "new" Leopard tanks back in the 80s...; and
See: LSVW... "what a piece of junk" -Luke Skywalker upon first sight of an LSVW (probably)



Sorry, I meant what type of pen you used I school, when you did the MacLean method?
I know in France they used dip pens till 65, so I guess yours was such?

I went to school in Canada from 1957 and at that time it was all ballpoint. The first school I went to was an old one and I did see holes in the desks, some of which still had ink wells. However it looked like it had been a year or two since they were used. The ballpoints however were shaped like dip pens. They were provided, as were pencils and notebooks. Just a few years later, nothing was provided except books of course. This was the Vancouver School Board, which would mostly set policy for the rest of the province. I have no idea what was done in other provinces of Canada.

By the way, I made a mistake in the original post, it was in grade five (not four) that Mr. MacLean came. Although I guess writing was taught from grade four. Earlier grades were print only. We didn't use the word cursive here. We just said "writing", as opposed to "printing".

My parents both went to school in the 50s and graduated HS in the late 60s. At least where they lived, fountain pens were still the style in use until HS, and some teachers in HS I have been told would reject Ballpoint written work.

I went to school in the 80s and 90s. In Ontario, like my parents. And I had desks that still had the hole in the upper right hand corner for an ink well...


I think Molly mainly writes with

yup, but hey, it did help me find this fascinating thread! (you reported it right?...)

FWIW I was taught printing and then D'nealean(I think...) (starting in grade 2 I think..) and hated it (I know!) and regressed to a cramp inducing print.
Two yrs ago I decided to try cursive again.
https://www.instagram.com/acousticpens/?hl=en
These magnificent examples of Palmer/Zaner/Business Penmanship inspired me. This is what I WANT my handwriting to look like.
It just.... flows... its so... light, floaty and elegant. Yeah, I know, I'm getting all misty over handwriting...
Anyway, apparently, based on the comments I've read above... I'm the only one who actually LIKES what Business Penmanship looks like... :/

guyy
June 23rd, 2021, 10:49 AM
I believe Copperplate/Roundhand/Engrosser’s Script etc. were the business hands of their time. You can see how they’re vaguely related to Renaissance humanist styles. Palmer/MacLean are just one or two more steps down the road.

Robert_322
September 27th, 2021, 06:44 AM
I really love this method of writing, especially when I send some letters, it gives me an antique vibe. However, even even though I have calligraphic writing I am very bad at grammar and I usually make mistakes that I don't even notice. This is why, when I have to write an essay after I finish it I use an online editor essay (https://www.essayedge.com/) in order to see where I did wrong. And with time, I have understood where I make the most mistakes so I worked on them more, but I still have to use an editor as I am not sure in my knowledge.

joolstacho
September 27th, 2021, 07:12 AM
Robert... Follow The Force...Follow The Force...

Cyril
January 4th, 2022, 12:39 PM
This is a beautiful method of writing. But just as a well discipline Master penman you should Undergo all the writing lessons.
I think this method comes from the " Ladies hand penmanship" which was introduced by an associate of the Spencerian school of penmanship. (I can't get his name now ) So this writing style was introduced to write faster than SPENCERIAN TO write without Flourishes and uniquely to write on monoclines to gain more time.
I find there are a few different Masters of penman who had used this similar method.

J.J BAILY 1879-1970
Palmer’s method- 1888-1898 His Method was first published by between the years.
Melon Olive _ Ladies hand 1924-1925 She is seen teaching her class of this method.

Whoever created this method,it was a revolutionary mutation of writing that time as Time was money at that time to write with a well disciplined master penman.

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Chrissy
December 20th, 2023, 02:30 PM
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Lloyd
December 20th, 2023, 11:51 PM
Mik Jogger. the long term spammer now seems to be pretending to sound normal as though we might not notice.
Did you know that "Mik Joger" is an anagram of "grim joke"?

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Chrissy
December 21st, 2023, 01:24 AM
A good anagram but the letter that looks like an "i" is not that character. It's a special character instead.

Lloyd
December 21st, 2023, 02:04 AM
A good anagram but the letter that looks like an "i" is not that character. It's a special character instead.
From chatGPT:
The symbol "ı" is a lowercase dotless "i" and is used in Turkish and Azerbaijani, among other languages.

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INeedAFinancialAdvisor
December 21st, 2023, 10:06 AM
Mik jogger should consider moving to canada and then immediately investigating and taking advantage of its robust MAiD program as a service to the world.

Niner
December 21st, 2023, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure what method I was taught. In second grade, I was taught a method that might have been MacLean. In third grade, I was transferred to a new school that opened closer to my home. There, a new method that might have been Zaner-Bloser was taught. Only one other third grade student, an English boy who had moved to America and just down the street from me in time to be in my second grade class, had previously been taught cursive writing.

The (possibly) Zaner-Bloser script appealed more to me than the method taught to me the year before, so I didn't mind unlearning the old method. But I'm not certain that it was really Zaner-Bloser. The examples I have seen in adulthood of Zaner-Bloser aren't exactly what i was taught, they're just the closer than any other method I can identify.