WTB pollution

[FredRydr]

Based on JDVO's posts here, I am editing this OP.

New members must be on notice that scammers have more numerous lately, and even legitimate posts that appear similar to posts of swindlers will damage your reputation right off the bat. So if you are new, use common sense to earn trust with other members before making sales offers. Your first posts to FPGeeks shouldn't be offers of expensive pens in response to WTB listings. Keep in mind this is primarily a hobby forum.

Word must be spreading across the dark web that pen people are lucrative targets. It seems scammers are not only more numerous lately, but also much more obvious.

JDVO's shotgun approach to want-to-buy ads using wording reminiscent of past scammers, posted only 4 minutes apart, justifiably raises suspicion.

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Unlike scammers that remain silent when outed, JDVO has responded to my doubts with photos and descriptions of his offerings. Interested buyers need only use their common sense, too. If you like the transactions, by all means, share the joy.

[Chrissy]

Yes Fred I agree with you. I also spotted that JVDO has everything that everyone wants. LOL. Like that's ever possible?

[JVDO]

Boy, you guys are welcoming. I have them all. Perhaps sending to the back room is the way to go. You have no idea what I do for a living and to attack me outright is BS. For that Chrissy and Fredrydr you may not purchase any of my pens. I purchased over 80 pens and shot gunned the forum that Ive been lurking in for over a week. I have limited time to do this and if offended I apologize but assure you I'm real with pens in hand. Perhaps challenge me to prove Im real instead of outright defaming my posts. You will be sorry for being banned from my sales. Some of us work for a living and don't have hours to spend on the internet.

[JVDO]

I purchased this collection from an ill friend with tens of thousands of dollars. He was a lifelong Omas fiend. 17 to be exac including limited editions and several pens with multiple nibs. Oh, and he is type A. I have some business cards from whom he purchased. He preferred Nibs.com. Challenge me to prove who I am and what I have. This collection is over 80 pens, I dont have photos of all but can. Test me! What would prove it to you? I get out of work 5pm EST.6401364010640146401164012

[JVDO]

BOOM

[JVDO]

Not everyone in this world is out to cheat you. I am as honest as they come and am truly in possession of these pens. Ask specific questions and I will tell you if I have it or might have it. PM me, I will give you my cell phone and we can chat or even facetime or skype. Everyone except Chrissy and Fredrydr can still take a chance and likely get the pen they have been looking a long time to find. Good way to get my posts up. Now I'm done and absolutely must get to work.

[Fermata]

With respect JVDO, you are not coming across well at all, we are quieter than this.

[JVDO]

With respect, when insulted one cannot be quiet.

[Fermata]

With respect, when insulted one cannot be quiet.

Ok, it is up to you.

Put me on your No Go list too.

[Chrissy]

Boy, you guys are welcoming. I have them all. Perhaps sending to the back room is the way to go. You have no idea what I do for a living and to attack me outright is BS. For that Chrissy and Fredrydr you may not purchase any of my pens. I purchased over 80 pens and shot gunned the forum that Ive been lurking in for over a week. I have limited time to do this and if offended I apologize but assure you I'm real with pens in hand. Perhaps challenge me to prove Im real instead of outright defaming my posts. You will be sorry for being banned from my sales. Some of us work for a living and don't have hours to spend on the internet.
I haven't defamed anyone's posts but nevertheless remain satisfied to be banned from buying any of your pens. If reviving loads of really old WTB ads on FPG is your method of selling pens then this will be a very long term event for you. The reason you flagged up is because others usually PM the members concerned. Good luck with your sales.

[JVDO]

Really old interests never usually go away and if I have the pen they want, helpful to both. Maybe purge the listings if they are of no value to the site.

[Stands on Feet]

JVDO,
The standard way to prove that you really have the pens you claim you do is to take a picture of the pen lying on a sheet of paper with today's date on it. That makes it fairly hard to re-use photos gleaned from eBay or somewhere.

Taking offense when criticised is often a sign that the criticism is accurate.

[TSherbs]

JVDO,
The standard way to prove that you really have the pens you claim you do is to take a picture of the pen lying on a sheet of paper with today's date on it. That makes it fairly hard to re-use photos gleaned from eBay or somewhere.

Taking offense when criticised is often a sign that the criticism is accurate.Yes (to the above)

Don't take offense, JVDO. That does not reassure anyone that you understand how this is typically done to make buyers willing to purchase goods from total strangers with few guarantees of the security and integrity of the transaction. Buyers have to pay first. So buyers get cautious, especially when you don't follow common protocols from around the internet. Don't you understand this?

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[grainweevil]

Not everyone answering a WTB is a crook, and not everyone grasps the nuances of internet selling etiquette straight off the bat. (The whole pen-lying-on-a-piece-of-paper thing is news to me, and frankly seems not hard to Photoshop, but well, I s'pose I've learnt something). I think there have been some hasty assumptions made, misunderstandings abounding, and perhaps everyone just needs to take a breath and start again.

C'mon, folks, we're in danger of letting the bad guys win and turn us all against each other through simple paranoia here. Use your head, don't use Paypal friends and family or direct transfers, and if it seems too good to be true, assume it is and politely walk away. But don't, please, assume everyone's out to get you. That's a short road to a lonely life.

[FredRydr]

Things have been resolved back channel and tips on selling (and making impressions) on FPGeeks have been shared. It was an unfortunate start for a new member in the midst of these other scammer contacts being reported recently.

[JVDO]

I dont read the newspaper. I am withdrawing my offer to sell. I understand how I came on strong. I will just keep all these pens. When I laid them in my display, there is no way I can part with them. The collection includes many limited editions complete with ink bottles and micro fiber clothes. a thing of beauty. Now that I am no longer selling anything at all, could someone help me learn more about these pens? I understand the celluloid and the Omas going out of business. I have a ASC as well. What are they like to write with, which ones should I not use, etc. And these are just the 17 Omas! Aurora, Parker Duofold, Visconti etc etc etc. l not sell any pens here so lets talk about what an amazing collection. How best to care for the discolored clips and nib bases? Not many people buy a complete lifelong collection. I had the wrong goal, to make money. I have enough money, but will never have enough pens. My apologies to those I offended due to my ignorance. I forgot how judgmental and negative forums can be, often for good reason.


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[JVDO]

Thank you my friend. I was hoping for a friendly response like this. I will not sell anything but use this site to learn more. I looked at what people wanted and began a dialogue. I never talked price and just wanted to chat.

[guyy]

Hmm… discolored clips and nibs? That could be a bad sign.

I’d be worried about celluloid rot. Certain OMAS celluloids are known to disintegrate more quickly than the typical celluloid. The purple and the harlequin are known rotters. Black is usually the safest.

The first thing i’d do would be some triage. I’d isolate any of those OMAS or ASC with anything weird going on because the products of celluloid disintegration can accelerate the process in a neighboring pen.

[JVDO]

You put yourself on the no go list. Withdrawing all sales.

[guyy]

You put yourself on the no go list. Withdrawing all sales.

You talkin’ to me?

[JVDO]

Hmm… discolored clips and nibs? That could be a bad sign.

I’d be worried about celluloid rot. Certain OMAS celluloids are known to disintegrate more quickly than the typical celluloid. The purple and the harlequin are known rotters. Black is usually the safest.

The first thing i’d do would be some triage. I’d isolate any of those OMAS or ASC with anything weird going on because the products of celluloid disintegration can accelerate the process in a neighboring pen.

Everything is isolated in the leather sleeve they came in. Its not Rot its just very slight discoloration. Everything is solid and functional. Im not selling anyway. It looks like it just needs a microfiber to go over it.

[JVDO]

You put yourself on the no go list. Withdrawing all sales.

NOOOOOOO. Their is one small dot on the mid clip of my saffron. The base of the nib has very mild discoloration. These pens are not disintegrating.

[JVDO]

JVDO,
The standard way to prove that you really have the pens you claim you do is to take a picture of the pen lying on a sheet of paper with today's date on it. That makes it fairly hard to re-use photos gleaned from eBay or somewhere.

Taking offense when criticized is often a sign that the criticism is accurate.
We are all adults correct? Last time I checked i never contacted you for anything.

[JVDO]

Wow, one day and done. I have never experienced this type of abuse before. A forum that convinced me its better to walk away. all in less than 24hrs. Im done you all are seriously paranoid and have lost a major opportunity to fill some bucket lists. Thanks for being welcoming and friendly. good bye

[Stands on Feet]

Well, that was .........................interesting.

[Ron Z]

Whew. Glad that's over! :wave:

[silverlifter]

Seems offering helpful advice is considered reason enough to ban you from buying any of his pens that you weren't trying to buy and were withdrawn from sale earlier in this clusterfuck of a thread.

[guyy]

FPGEEK: umm…

PEN NAZI: That’s it! Out! No pens for you!

[TSherbs]

Not everyone answering a WTB is a crook, and not everyone grasps the nuances of internet selling etiquette straight off the bat. (The whole pen-lying-on-a-piece-of-paper thing is news to me, and frankly seems not hard to Photoshop, but well, I s'pose I've learnt something). I think there have been some hasty assumptions made, misunderstandings abounding, and perhaps everyone just needs to take a breath and start again.

C'mon, folks, we're in danger of letting the bad guys win and turn us all against each other through simple paranoia here. Use your head, don't use Paypal friends and family or direct transfers, and if it seems too good to be true, assume it is and politely walk away. But don't, please, assume everyone's out to get you. That's a short road to a lonely life.Fair enough. But it doesn't seem, even in retrospect, that nothing else was going on here. Odd reactions, too puzzling for me. Things for sale, things not for sale, "I just want to chat" (this means the sale offers were insincere), then anger and spite and, ultimately, not a single pic with a date on it (whether it is from a newspaper or not). And Fred said things were worked out... And then they weren't....

Not reassuring for buyers, which was my point of entry.

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[TSherbs]

FPGEEK: umm…

PEN NAZI: That’s it! Out! No pens for you!GUFFAW

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[guyy]

Not everyone answering a WTB is a crook, and not everyone grasps the nuances of internet selling etiquette straight off the bat. (The whole pen-lying-on-a-piece-of-paper thing is news to me, and frankly seems not hard to Photoshop, but well, I s'pose I've learnt something). I think there have been some hasty assumptions made, misunderstandings abounding, and perhaps everyone just needs to take a breath and start again.

C'mon, folks, we're in danger of letting the bad guys win and turn us all against each other through simple paranoia here. Use your head, don't use Paypal friends and family or direct transfers, and if it seems too good to be true, assume it is and politely walk away. But don't, please, assume everyone's out to get you. That's a short road to a lonely life.Fair enough. But it doesn't seem, even in retrospect, that nothing else was going on here. Odd reactions, too puzzling for me. Things for sale, things not for sale, "I just want to chat" (this means the sale offers were insincere), then anger and spite and, ultimately, not a single pic with a date on it (whether it is from a newspaper or not). And Fred said things were worked out... And then they weren't....

Not reassuring for buyers, which was my point of entry.

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Indeed. The extreme defensiveness suggests something else was going on. I would never have bought from that guy.

[Fermata]

He has had his quota of forum inches.

I suggested that he calmed down, he ignored that and pulled the pin.

Buying and selling is a personal transaction based on trust.

[grainweevil]

Not everyone answering a WTB is a crook, and not everyone grasps the nuances of internet selling etiquette straight off the bat. (The whole pen-lying-on-a-piece-of-paper thing is news to me, and frankly seems not hard to Photoshop, but well, I s'pose I've learnt something). I think there have been some hasty assumptions made, misunderstandings abounding, and perhaps everyone just needs to take a breath and start again.

C'mon, folks, we're in danger of letting the bad guys win and turn us all against each other through simple paranoia here. Use your head, don't use Paypal friends and family or direct transfers, and if it seems too good to be true, assume it is and politely walk away. But don't, please, assume everyone's out to get you. That's a short road to a lonely life.Fair enough. But it doesn't seem, even in retrospect, that nothing else was going on here. Odd reactions, too puzzling for me. Things for sale, things not for sale, "I just want to chat" (this means the sale offers were insincere), then anger and spite and, ultimately, not a single pic with a date on it (whether it is from a newspaper or not). And Fred said things were worked out... And then they weren't....

Not reassuring for buyers, which was my point of entry.

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Indeed. The extreme defensiveness suggests something else was going on. I would never have bought from that guy.

Well, things certainly developed after I posted and I'm not advocating dealing with this particular chap. But if we publicly jump down every new member's throat who does something a bit odd with the assumption that they're a scammer, even less volatile people are likely to react pretty negatively. That was the burden of my song.