Model and worth?

[Declanhulme1113]

643286432664327Hi all,

I recently bought this unaware of what model it is and what it’s worth, would anyone be able to help me with this?

Declan

[Jon Szanto]

Try again, as there is no written or visual information on what precisely you bought.

[Declanhulme1113]

Is this better?

[Jon Szanto]

Yep, now the images show. A Parker rollerball, for which I don't know the value, but ballpoint, rollerball, and pencils are almost always worth/priced less than fountain pens. Perhaps a non-fp person will have more information. The case also implies it was originally a set of two or three items, commonly an fp, ballpoint, and pencil. It looks like a fairly recent model, likely in the last 20 years or so?

[Fermata]

I think this is the Parker Arrow from the 1980s, as Jon says the fountain pen is worth more than anything else but it is not a sought after model, $50 tops, I don't know roller ball prices, perhaps $25.

[jos]

The paperwork says it: Parker Arrow.

see also:
https://penhero.com/PenGallery/Parker/ParkerArrow.htm
http://parkercollector.com/arrow.html

[Declanhulme1113]

6432964330Yea from what I’m aware it’s the past 20 years, I did get a fountain pen with it but it’s not a Parker I have no idea what it is tbh 😂

[Fermata]

It is an english Platignum, looks a bit of a mess tbh especially the cap. This pen is much earlier than the Parker but, sorry, I am not sure that it is worth any money at all.

[proteus]

Declanhulme1113

If I were looking to buy this Parker Arrow rollerball I would not pay more than £7 delivered.

It is very average ( well used ) as is the case

It is possible to buy an NOS ( A perfect one for about £15-£20 )

As for the Platignum mentioned, possibly two bob……….as in nothing

What did paid for the pair of them ?

Oh, some images of best Parker Arrow collection there is.
Not mine, another collector friend I know very well.

[Declanhulme1113]

Declanhulme1113

If I were looking to buy this Parker Arrow rollerball I would not pay more than £7 delivered.

It is very average ( well used ) as is the case

It is possible to buy an NOS ( A perfect one for about £15-£20 )

As for the Platignum mentioned, possibly two bob……….as in nothing

What did paid for the pair of them ?

Oh, some images of best Parker Arrow collection there is.
Not mine, another collector friend I know very well.



I paid £20 for them two and two Parker 25 rollerball

[proteus]

Then you bought wisely.

The P25 rollerballs are worth alot more.

Depending on the model and condition, alot more.

[Fermata]

Middle aged men are keen buyers of the Parker 25 who look to buy again the Parker 25s that saw them through at school/uni.

The standard 25 has blue trim, if yours are green or red for example then they are worth a little more.

[proteus]

Thought these P25 were rather nice...........

[Declanhulme1113]

Yeah the ones I have the blue on them, I’ve used them all day today and there great to write with!

What are the orange ones called? Wouldn’t I’m done if these

[welch]

Yeah the ones I have the blue on them, I’ve used them all day today and there great to write with!

What are the orange ones called? Wouldn’t I’m done if these

Here is a bit more on the Parker 25. Tony Fischier's Parkerpens.Net is my first stop when I want to learn about any model Parker. Incidentally, Tony says that a P-25 is his everyday pen.

https://parkerpens.net/parker25.html

[proteus]

I never understood the interest in these pens...........clearly missed something......

[Scrawler]

It is an english Platignum, looks a bit of a mess tbh especially the cap. This pen is much earlier than the Parker but, sorry, I am not sure that it is worth any money at all.

There was a pecking order at school set by your pen. Platignum was right at the bottom of the list. It was the least desirable pen to have.

[Chrissy]

There was a pecking order at school set by your pen. Platignum was right at the bottom of the list. It was the least desirable pen to have.
Well it was probably a marginal improvement on the school supplied dip pens. :)

[Scrawler]

There was a pecking order at school set by your pen. Platignum was right at the bottom of the list. It was the least desirable pen to have.
Well it was probably a marginal improvement on the school supplied dip pens. :)

:-) You remember those too. Yes they were. At least they owned a pen.

[Fermata]

The only worse pen was an Italian clone of the 51, often marked VV on the clip. the pen was a piston filler but I needed a pair of pliers to fill my pen, not ideal when you are making hurried notes in History.

[proteus]

Read the above comments with great fascination

At my school there was no pen pecking order, almost all wrote with P61’s or P51’s

Personally I like the P61 better, it was rather more stylish

[Scrawler]

Read the above comments with great fascination

At my school there was no pen pecking order, almost all wrote with P61’s or P51’s

Personally I like the P61 better, it was rather more stylish

Parkers 51 was a high status pen only just below Conway Stewart.

[pajaro]

I like both P51 and P61. The P61 capillary filler is interesting and different.
Where I went to school in the 1960s mosr used Sheaffer cartridge pens.

[grainweevil]

My school actually made us use Platignum school pens (the blue ones with the weird-shaped caps), which they provided, helpfully "broken in" by several generations of equally heavy-handed neophytes before us. The emphasis was rather definitely on "broken". How I can look an FP in the nib after that introduction is beyond me.

As to the P25 and Proteus' inability to "get" it, I find I appreciate it more when I remember it was designed by the great Sir Kenneth Grange, and thus is part of a design legacy that encompasses, well, basically everything from the Intercity 125 train to the Kenwood Chef food mixer. Like many of his designs, it is actually designed and thus fit for the job. He's just never really done pretty.

[pajaro]

In the 5th and 6th grades in a West Roxbury parochial school in Mass., the school provided Scripto fountain pens, with squeeze converters with rubber sacs. This was 1958 to 1960. I still have one of these. Still writes. I rarely use it. We moved to the Daytona Beach, Florida, area in 1960. Used Sheaffer cartridge pens there. Also ballpoints. I used ballpoints until graduating from college. 1970. The draft. Went into the USAF. Easier basic training in OTS: run a mile in 8 minutes and march around. Bought my midnight blue Parker 51, just like my dad's 51. Still using that 51. Best pen I ever used.

[proteus]

……….fascinating reading, gentlemen.

Scrawler, grainweevil & pajaro

Thank you.

[pajaro]

Proteus, thank you for the beautiful picture of the Parker 61. That color captures the spirit of the time.

[titrisol]

Those rollerball pens write like a charm and unfortunately are underappreciated

Nice example you got there!

[welch]

Read the above comments with great fascination

At my school there was no pen pecking order, almost all wrote with P61’s or P51’s

Personally I like the P61 better, it was rather more stylish

Wow! Fine pens for school-kids.

I grew up using fountain pens. Got my first in 4th grade (US) which was about 1957 or 1958. Most of us used Sheaffer cartridge-filling school pens, which I think the company gave our elementary school. I remember seeing racks of Wearevers and maybe Esterbrooks in People's Drug Store or the local Kresge 5&10. In late 1960, I was given a Parker 45.

I don't think anyone ever had a Parker 51 or Parker 61. Those were pens for grownups. For comparison, my P-45 was about $4.98 in 1960, and about that time the 51 and 61 were about $12 or $15. The Sheaffer PfM was about the same price as the 51 and 61.

[Michaelcj]

I still have and write daily with the 51 that my Grandad gave me when I was going int the 4th grade at 60 years ago... got me through High School and College as well... when I started working it got retired for several decades as work progressed through; 4 page carbon and eventually carbonless incident reports that had to be done in "all uppercase block print" then on to electric typewritten multi-pagers ( unless you were too busy to get back to the station) and on to computers in the office and finally computers in our cars. Since retiring the 51 is OUT of retirement along with some other pens.
[ Dove Grey with gold-filled cap and blue diamond vacumatic. Still not sure why Charlie thought a 10 year old deserved that]

[proteus]

welch,

Read your rely with interest.
I always thought that the P45's were vastly under estimated.
They are very clever pens.
Have a few trays of them - attached two images - the first one is mine, the other is not

Michaelcj

It is very pleasing to hear that your grandad’s 51 is now out of retirement.

[titrisol]

Th P45 is still my go to pen; a gray was the one my mom gave me to start 3rd grade which I used all the way through grade school, and I got a few more over the years (Plus my dad's flighter)
I even gave one to each of my kids to get them started with FPs.
The design is clever, easy to clean, disassemble and switch nibs and the nibs are great for everyday note taking and writing.

I have several colors, plus flighters, I wish I had one of those harlequins!


welch,

Read your rely with interest.
I always thought that the P45's were vastly under estimated.
They are very clever pens.
Have a few trays of them - attached two images - the first one is mine, the other is not

Michaelcj

It is very pleasing to hear that your grandad’s 51 is now out of retirement.

[proteus]

Back in the day...........when I finally left school......I used to attended some office meetings of about 12 people.

There they all sat with their biros...........

I brought out my P80 Red Harlequin, it did cut a certain dash.


After most of these meetings at least 5 of them wanted to look at my pen.............

................Many people have no idea what they want until they actually see it.


I always thought it was statement.


Just a reflection of the past...............

[welch]

The P-45 is the best "starter pen", even now. Sells for about $30 on EBay for the simple plastic body / lustraloy cap versions. The classy models are more expensive, of course, and, yes, some EBay sellers think that the 45 is "vintage" and should be priced like a P-51...

[proteus]

welch / titrisol or anyone else………..

I would be very interested to see any images that you would care to offer.

Have always liked looking at other's Parker pens.

Just nosy I quess………

[welch]

welch / titrisol or anyone else………..

I would be very interested to see any images that you would care to offer.

Have always liked looking at other's Parker pens.

Just nosy I quess………

Ha! My photos always come out blurry.

[proteus]

For those interested......


On the subject of P45's ........


Whilst researching, I stumbled into a metallurgical engineer who worked at Newhaven during the very late 90's and up until they closed.

Bought two interesting versions of a Harlequin Jotter, prototypes - both are reverse patterns made at Meru, which were later finished ( polished ) at Newhaven.


This was the completed pattern Parker tried to made in 1980/81

The paler shields are perfect - perfect etching - the shields are a different size and reversed

I believe only 12 were made, 6 were the gold clip versions.

All Jotters, no FP's


Personally I thought they were a work of art.

[welch]

Wow! A knockout! What a pattern!

[titrisol]

welch / titrisol or anyone else………..

I would be very interested to see any images that you would care to offer.

Have always liked looking at other's Parker pens.

Just nosy I quess………

Let me see what I can do, at the moment I only have a picture of my dad's GT flighter
https://live.staticflickr.com/3892/32553187660_c973659ed0_w.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RABAyd)Parker45GT-2 (https://flic.kr/p/RABAyd) by titrisol (https://www.flickr.com/photos/titrisol/), on Flickr

I'll add more pictures to my FP album

[proteus]

titrisol,

Many thanks for taking the time to show your dads GT Flighter,

Clearly it writes well

Oh...I like your handwriting style..........mine is a tad more flowerly

[titrisol]

titrisol,

Many thanks for taking the time to show your dads GT Flighter,

Clearly it writes well

Oh...I like your handwriting style..........mine is a tad more flowerly

All P45 have been great writers; I have F, M and B nibs; I wish I had an XF.
I don;t see a difference between the steel and gold nibs though, maybe I'm just dumb.
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* The pen on the left is the one I have used the most, it was a present from my great-aunt when I turned 9, I used it thourgh grade school, high school and college. You can see that the back is polished form being posted most of the time. (I think it is a CT)
* The gray was my 1st FP (2nd grade) - clip is bent
* The 45GT belonged to my dad and I got it after he passed away, it was my special pen during college and besides a couple of times it has leaked during long flights it's always been there for me.
Recently, the converter developed a leak so I use it with cartridges now (realoading them with a syringe)
*The rest I've found somewhere, and the blue belong to a set with pencil and pen that I found at a estate sale.

First time anyone has liked my handwriting!! :bounce:
This was the school's handwriting style, and I always got not so good grades (70 and 80/100)
For years everyone told me it resembles a doctor's handwriting... thus I became one.

[proteus]

‘I don’t see a difference between the steel and gold nibs.’

It is only about nib flex, which will change the ink flow from the tip to paper.

Hardly that important if you are happy with both.


I have always found that XF & Needlepoint nibs are very specialist – used only architects and engineers et al. Mostly for very precise line drawings.


I thought that your handwriting was concise.
Most UK Doctors write like spiders, it is very hard to decipher what they have written.


Would wish to see any other Parkers that you have, please.

[titrisol]

This one is a CT i believe
I got it from my great-aunt when I was 9 and have used it a lot... you can see the end of the barrel polished by the cap spring.

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[proteus]

What a nice set of P45's

( Simul adulescentibus excusatum quaedam ad patrem reicere, ....... )

[titrisol]

I ordered and XXF nib I found on ebay based on this conversation... you sir are a bad influence :P

I wonder if we should start a P45 appreciation thread??? for showing pictures and such


What a nice set of P45's

( Simul adulescentibus excusatum quaedam ad patrem reicere, ....... )

[proteus]

Smiling alot.............


I always thought that XXF nibs were for line drawing, hardly for handwriting.

Would very interested see any images of this nib in use.


' I wonder if we should start a P45 appreciation thread '

These pens have a clever design and are vastly underrated


The image shown is not mine, just someone I know

[pajaro]

A P45 appreciation thread. Hmmm, are there any in plum?

[titrisol]

@proteus It is a #62 Accountant nib, Very fine (maybe <0.2mm) but smooth and nice as long as I slow down. Stingy in th ink flow
It's sensitive to pressure and catches lint from paper easily though, almost like back when I had to use rapid-o-graphs for technical drawing

65903
Blueblack ink and Black-n-red notebook

[proteus]

tirisol

Many thanks for your image.

I have never seen handwriting using a P45 XXF before.

Rather impressive stuff, if I may say

( As an aside I have always thought Parker called these nibs - 11, clearly I am wrong )

My research files of these nibs are attached.


pajaro

Never seen a plum one.

Think I have seen almost all of the P45 versions of the years.

Including ones made in Mexico, Argentina et al and all the prototypes known.

Have added some rare ones made in South America, unusual colours – pretty much P45 Deluxe CT versions

[titrisol]

This one is an Accountant Nib (#62)
marked A on the unit
It should be very stiff for writing small nbrs on ledgers


[COLOR="#0000CD"][I]tirisol

Many thanks for your image.

I have never seen handwriting using a P45 XXF before.

Rather impressive stuff, if I may say

( As an aside I have always thought Parker called these nibs - 11, clearly I am wrong )