Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

[ethernautrix]

https://youtu.be/2BNt-0kfic8

I'm with Russell Brand on this issue. "Voluntary?" Hmmm...for how long?

[dneal]

Til the brainwashed in Wokestan start clamoring for everyone to get a chip.

"Next thing you know, they'll be clamoring for lockdowns"
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be mandating vaccines..."
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be wanting us to show our papers..."
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be putting us in covid camps"
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be wanting us to get microchipped..."
"You're a Q-anon, Bill Gates hating conspiracy theorist..."

What kind of world are we in when now Russell Brand makes more sense than Anthony Fauci's mask policies?

In other news, woke morons in Utah are clamoring for the National Guard to lockdown the unvaccinated (https://www.newsweek.com/utah-newspaper-pushes-national-guard-block-unvaccinated-socializing-1670051):


"Were Utah a truly civilized place, the governor's next move would be to find a way to mandate the kind of mass vaccination campaign we should have launched a year ago, going as far as to deploy the National Guard to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere,"

"Next thing you know, this will be like Nazi Germany (or some other totalitarian state)"
"You're a..."

Maybe the "Mass Formation Psychosis" folks are on to something.

[Chuck Naill]

Til the brainwashed in Wokestan start clamoring for everyone to get a chip.

"Next thing you know, they'll be clamoring for lockdowns"
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be mandating vaccines..."
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be wanting us to show our papers..."
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be putting us in covid camps"
"You're a conspiracy theorist"

"Next thing you know, they'll be wanting us to get microchipped..."
"You're a Q-anon, Bill Gates hating conspiracy theorist..."

What kind of world are we in when now Russell Brand makes more sense than Anthony Fauci's mask policies?

In other news, woke morons in Utah are clamoring for the National Guard to lockdown the unvaccinated (https://www.newsweek.com/utah-newspaper-pushes-national-guard-block-unvaccinated-socializing-1670051):


"Were Utah a truly civilized place, the governor's next move would be to find a way to mandate the kind of mass vaccination campaign we should have launched a year ago, going as far as to deploy the National Guard to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere,"

"Next thing you know, this will be like Nazi Germany (or some other totalitarian state)"
"You're a..."

Maybe the "Mass Formation Psychosis" folks are on to something.

"Seems to be a consistent deflection from the topic." LOL!!!

[Empty_of_Clouds]

Have there been any studies into the possible side-effects of these implants? Asking for a friend. :spy:

[Bold2013]

Probably won’t be too much of an issue. They have been implanting devices for a long time, including superficial ones in the extremities (hormone therapy).

[Bold2013]

Next on the menu “the Bible and Constitution are hate speech”
“You must be a white privileged fundamentalist who takes those corrupt documents literally”

[kazoolaw]

This way if we get lost our dogs can find us.

[dneal]

"Seems to be a consistent deflection from the topic." LOL!!!

Yes Chuck, you are again exhibiting precisely that. Please show ethernautrix some common courtesy. There are plenty of other threads you can fail to troll me in.

Bless your heart.

[ethernautrix]

"Seems to be a consistent deflection from the topic." LOL!!!

Who is the one deflecting from the topic?

[ethernautrix]

This way if we get lost our dogs can find us.


This reminded me of when my ex and I, walking through a park, encountered a couple walking a bloodhound. We stopped to pet the dog and my ex suggested that the couple teach the dog to sniff their keys so he could find them if they lost them.

(FTR: I'm not deflecting. I'm digressing. Cos dogs.)

[Empty_of_Clouds]

Probably won’t be too much of an issue. They have been implanting devices for a long time, including superficial ones in the extremities (hormone therapy).

Cool! So where can i get one? I want to be a proper part of the digital age! :)

[dneal]

Probably won’t be too much of an issue. They have been implanting devices for a long time, including superficial ones in the extremities (hormone therapy).

Cool! So where can i get one? I want to be a proper part of the digital age! :)

Sweden. Duh…

;)

[Empty_of_Clouds]

I need my chip to remind where I've read things. It's not going to be a single function device for me, oh no sir. :)

[dneal]

I need my chip to remind where I've read things. It's not going to be a single function device for me, oh no sir. :)

I figure if it's important enough to remember, it's worth writing down. Otherwise, I wouldn't need all these pens...

Hmmm, get rid of pens for a chip? Nah...

Back to the point, and the conspiratorial aspect aside; what do these people think is going to happen during a power outage? No, your chip isn't better than a physical key when you're locked outside your house. The over-reliance on technology is going to be the downfall of this new-fangled generation.

[Bold2013]

Probably won’t be too much of an issue. They have been implanting devices for a long time, including superficial ones in the extremities (hormone therapy).

Cool! So where can i get one? I want to be a proper part of the digital age! :)

No medical problem just a moral one

[Bold2013]

I need my chip to remind where I've read things. It's not going to be a single function device for me, oh no sir. :)

I figure if it's important enough to remember, it's worth writing down. Otherwise, I wouldn't need all these pens...

Hmmm, get rid of pens for a chip? Nah...

Back to the point, and the conspiratorial aspect aside; what do these people think is going to happen during a power outage? No, your chip isn't better than a physical key when you're locked outside your house. The over-reliance on technology is going to be the downfall of this new-fangled generation.

Agreed. A couple EMP weapons and a good part of the country will be in trouble. However I’m more worried about the fed making a digital currency.

[Pendragon]

I think microchipping people is a great idea! If a person gets lost, they can be scanned and returned to their pets.

[ethernautrix]

66689

[Chip]

Have there been any studies into the possible side-effects of these implants?

I think they're basically inert, except to electromagnetic detection. It's been a common practice with dogs for quite some time. Simple passive tags, called PIT (Passive Integrated Transponders) have been used to ID migrating salmon and other wild species for quite a while. I went to a training session on implanting them and setting up reading stations in the field, to track wildlife migrations and residence.

https://i.imgur.com/JSWHeMU.jpg

Each tag is assigned a digital ID. Passing through a magnetic field, it responds with the ID, which is recorded.

Strikes me as curious that Russell Brand is happy documenting his location and personal views in videos, but thinks of e-tags as insidious.

Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID? :dirol:

[Pendragon]

Strikes me as curious that Russell Brand is happy documenting his location and personal views in videos, but thinks of e-tags as insidious.
Documenting his location and sharing his personal views is voluntary. I think the concern people have is that they will be tracked without their consent. Not realizing, of course, that their smartphone does exactly that, as do the license plate scanners that are all over the place. 1984 was already here a long time ago.


Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID? :dirol:
Only if it works to their advantage. Same for the Democrats. I don't see why folks make such a big fuss over voter ID. When I first started voting, decades ago, I had to present my drivers license as proof of ID. Anyone who does not have a drivers license can get a state ID card. Those who cannot be bothered to get an ID card must not care terribly much about voting or buying liquor.

More recently, no proof of ID is required in our local elections. People in the apartment complex across the street throw polling place notifications for previous tenants in the recycle bin. One of the tenants told me that twice some stranger rifled through the bin and took those notifications and credit card application forms. Anyone with one of those notifications could go to the polling location, claim to be somebody else, and vote in their place. After seeing that, I agree 100% that voters should be require to show proof of identity. Chipping people would make that super convenient.

[TSherbs]

....
Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID? :dirol:

Not if Dominion machines are used to scan them.

[Chip]

Ha!

I had the training course when a goofball geography prof was trying to set up a mapping project on beaver density and travel routes in a national park.

His notion was that he would implant PIT tags in dominant males and set up electromagnetic loop antennas to get IDs and counts. I sketched a plan to locate antennas with solar panels and batteries for power, fairly simple stuff.

The practical problem was that the beaver use braids and side channels that shift course and change geometry quickly, especially during spring when beaver establish territories. So a loop antenna placed on a narrow channel might be buried in sand and gravel a week later. I overlaid channel plots from a couple years which convinced him.

He also talked to some biologists who impressed on him the difficulty of capturing and tagging large male beaver.

[Richardtractorguy]

Actually if these do have a ferrite core you might not be able to get an MRI. The strength of a 3 tesla coil magnet is strong enough to pull ferrous objects out of the body. A lot of implants don't allow me to order an MRI on patients, this might be another implant that makes my job a little bit harder.

[Richardtractorguy]

Also implanting devices is not 100% complication free. I'm sure there will be a proportion that get infected. Some people also might develop an allergy or a foreign body reaction.

[Chip]

I'm not proposing this as a means of identifying people.

Just reflecting on the Republican urge to ID voters as a means to discourage those who don't favor their party.

Tagging seems like a foolproof way of establishing legal identity. What's the diff between having to show your driver's license and getting scanned?

How is that incompatible with "freedom," "liberty," etc. unless one is trying to conceal or falsify one's identity?

Having a driver's license is a state mandate.

So, there are good state mandates and bad ones?

Discuss. . .

[dneal]

"Just reflecting on the Republican urge to ID voters as a means to discourage those who don't favor their party."

That's simply an unproven assertion that is part of the Democrat narrative. A variation of "racist" accusations hurled. I've already shown the data in another thread where over 90% of people, regardless of race, have a form of state issued ID. Rasmussen, Monmouth, etc... always find overwhelming (70-80%) support for showing an ID to vote, no matter the ethnic group. It's a made up issue. The premise is false.

As for the rest, a misrepresentation of the issue through false analogies resulting in a false equivalency. Neither voting nor drivers licenses are mandated, and lumping them all together with (presumably) vaccine mandates as "good" and "bad" mandates to attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy results in a false dichotomy - that all "mandates" must be "good" or "bad". Perhaps you should revisit the Emerson quote on foolish consistencies.

So the one common theme in the post is "falseness", woven throughout. It's not even clever.

In other news, The IRS wants you to submit to facial recognition to verify taxpayer's identities (https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/20/22893057/irs-facial-recognition-taxes-online-idme-identity).

So would Democrats be ok with facial recognition to vote? They're apparently ok with it to make sure you paid your fair share.

Discuss...

[Chuck Naill]

There has to be some motivation by Republicans. Have they been loosing the popular vote for 17 years? One way to reduce that is to make voting more inconvenient.

You might not be anti Tom Brady, but if you can find a way to keep him from throwing a price, you might have a better chance of winning .

[Chuck Naill]

Pass

[dneal]

There has to be some motivation by Republicans. Have they been loosing the popular vote for 17 years? One way to reduce that is to make voting more inconvenient.

You might not be anti Tom Brady, but if you can find a way to keep him from throwing a price, you might have a better chance of winning .

Does there also have to be some motivation by the Democrats? Have they been losing the electoral vote for 17 years?

You also say they want to make voting more "inconvenient". More Democrat narrative, with little proof. Who told you that? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? CNN? NYT? lol, or whatever is supposed to follow. For someone who cries about validating and verifying, it doesn't seem to apply in your direction.

Tom Brady - the deflated football guy? Is there some reason you picked a disgraced cheater for an example?

Monmouth poll (https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_062121.pdf/):


Most Americans support both easier access to early voting and requiring photo identification to vote, according to the Monmouth (“Mon-muth”) University Poll. The public is more divided on expanding vote-by-mail, although a majority would like to see some national voting guidelines established for federal elections. The poll also finds that only one-third of the public believes “audits” of the 2020 election results are legitimate efforts to uncover irregularities. Moreover, one-third of Americans continue to believe Joe Biden won the presidency only due to voter fraud – a steady trend since November that underlines the crystallization of our nation’s deep partisan divide.

A large majority (71%) of the public feels in-person early voting should generally be made easier. Just 16% say it should be made harder. Opinion is more divided on voting by mail – 50% say this should be made easier and 39% say it should be made harder. At the same time, fully 4 in 5 Americans (80%) support requiring voters to show photo identification in order to cast a ballot. Just 18% oppose this.

Easing in-person early voting access and requiring photo IDs both have bipartisan majority support. Approval of making early voting easier stands at 89% among Democrats, 68% among independents, and 56% among Republicans. Support for requiring a photo ID to vote stands at 62% among Democrats, 87% among independents, and 91% among Republicans. Only Democrats back making voting by mail easier to do, with 84% supporting this idea compared to just 40% of independents and 26% of Republicans.

More than 2 in 3 Americans (69%) support establishing national guidelines to allow vote-by-mail and in-person early voting in federal elections in every state. Just 25% oppose this idea. Support for establishing national voting guidelines on these issues comes from 92% of Democrats, 63% of independents, and 51% of Republicans.

“The poll contains some seemingly conflicting information on voter access. The bottom line seems to be that most Democrats and Republicans want to take the potential for election results to be questioned off the table. The problem, though, is they aren’t likely to agree on how to get there,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

More Americans say voter disenfranchisement (50%) is a major problem in the United States than say the same about voter fraud (37%). Democrats (64%) are more likely than either Republicans (43%) or independents (42%) to see disenfranchisement as being a major problem. Republicans (64%) are more likely than independents (41%) – and both groups are much more likely than Democrats (10%) – to see voter fraud as a major problem. Nine years ago, the overall number of registered voters who considered voter fraud to be a major problem (36%) was similar to the current results, although those who said it was not a problem at all was slightly lower (20%) than it is today (29%). Concern about voter fraud being a major problem has increased among Republicans since 2012 (from 51%) while it has declined by the same amount among Democrats (from 23%).

“Disenfranchising eligible voters is nominally a bigger concern than voter fraud, but the sizable number of Americans who cling to the view that fraud determined the 2020 election poses an intractable challenge for reaching any public consensus on voting access,” said Murray.
One-third (32%) of Americans continue to believe that Joe Biden’s victory in 2020 was due to voter fraud – a number that has not budged since the November election. At first glance in the crosstabs, it looks like the number of “Republicans” who believe this has been trending down while the number of independents who agree has ticked up. However, this appears to be a product of a shift in how Republicans identify themselves, with some moving their self-affiliation from being partisan to being an “independent” who leans partisan. When all Republican identifiers and leaners are combined, the number who believe Biden won only because of voter fraud has been fairly stable (63% now, 64% in March, 69% in January, and 66% in November). Furthermore, 14% of the American public say they will never accept Biden as president, including 3 in 10 (29%) Republicans and Republican leaners.

“The continuing efforts to question the validity of last year’s election is deepening the partisan divide in ways that could have long-term consequences for our Democracy, even if most Americans don’t quite see it that way yet,” said Murray.

Most Americans (57%) see audits of the 2020 election results that are ongoing or planned as primarily partisan efforts to undermine valid election results. One in three (33%), though, say these are legitimate efforts to identify possible voting irregularities. When asked about the impact of these audits, 40% say they will weaken American democracy versus 20% who say they will strengthen our democracy, while 35% say they will have no impact. A majority of Republicans and GOP leaners say these audits are legitimate (61%) and one-third say the audits will strengthen American democracy (34%). Among allother Americans, just 14% say the audits are legitimate with 55% saying they will actually weaken our democracy. Overall, 38% of the American public expects the impact of these audit efforts to be long- lasting, including nearly two-thirds of those who believe they will either weaken (63%) or strengthen (64%) our democracy.

The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from June 9 to 14, 2021 with 810 adults in the United States. The question results in this release have a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.

[Chuck Naill]

Brady is the best QB ever. Trump is the greatest cheater ever. What planet are you on? Lol!

Democrats aren’t changing the rules.

[Chuck Naill]

Ask the Rams ….lol!

[pajaro]

What happened to the world? Life as a kid in the 50s and 60s was so much simpler. Nobody trying to hack everything you do or trying to cough on you or trying to hack your trash. GaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH.

[Chip]

Golly! Those were such good times.

I recall my last day in high school, when there was a rumor of a showdown: whites vs. blacks.

The assistant principal was carrying a shotgun and the principal a deer rifle.

[TSherbs]

Golly! Those were such good times.

I recall my last day in high school, when there was a rumor of a showdown: whites vs. blacks.

The assistant principal was carrying a shotgun and the principal a deer rifle.

I wonder who was most likely to end up with lead in them.

[Chip]

The principal, Theron Swainson, was a white Mormon. The assistant was also white. There were over 2000 students at our high school, and no black teachers or coaches.

There were also a couple police cars parked out front.

There'd been several nasty brawls leading up to that day, but the riot never materialized.

[Ron Z]

Have there been any studies into the possible side-effects of these implants?

I think they're basically inert, except to electromagnetic detection. It's been a common practice with dogs for quite some time. Simple passive tags, called PIT (Passive Integrated Transponders) have been used to ID migrating salmon and other wild species for quite a while. I went to a training session on implanting them and setting up reading stations in the field, to track wildlife migrations and residence.

Each tag is assigned a digital ID. Passing through a magnetic field, it responds with the ID, which is recorded.

Strikes me as curious that Russell Brand is happy documenting his location and personal views in videos, but thinks of e-tags as insidious.

Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID? :dirol:

COOL! Eat some salmon and accidentally swallow the chip, get tagged as a fish in an unlikely location, skew scientific data. Where do I sign up?

[Chip]

COOL! Eat some salmon and accidentally swallow the chip, get tagged as a fish in an unlikely location, skew scientific data. Where do I sign up?

Unlikely, unless you pass through an electromagnetic loop. Wonder if an airport scanner would set it off? Although it probably wouldn't figure in a salmon database.

I seem to recall that they implant the PIT tag near the tail, so it probably wouldn't end up on your plate.