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yipe
October 22nd, 2013, 04:24 PM
Does anyone have any experience with these? Even the smallest one, the 1.1, seems like it would be kinda of wide for regular writing. How does it compare to something like the nib of the Pilot Plumix? Are the edges sharp or is this more of a cursive italic? Has anyone tried these for calligraphy?

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Mike Hungerford
October 22nd, 2013, 04:53 PM
They're cursive italics, and I agree that 1.1 mm in general is rather more than is *needed* for everyday writing, but it seems to appeal to a lot of people. My favorite italic is an Esterbrook 9314-F "Relief" stub, just enough variation to be attractive without being presumptuous. <G>

KrazyIvan
October 22nd, 2013, 05:04 PM
I own several Lamy 1.1 mm nibs and they are fun to use everyday. I write small but 1.1's work fine for me.

Here is a page from my Lamy Studio written review using the 1.1.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7445433332_78d5e24768_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/7445433332/)
LamyStudioReview1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/7445433332/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

The TWSBI 1.1 vs the Lamy 1.1

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6790391146_3f3e1ca4f4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/6790391146/)
TWSBI 1.1mm stub vs. Lamy 1.1mm stub (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/6790391146/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

The Kaweco 1.1

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/10393452654_4f730e3b41_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/10393452654/)
#kaweco Sport 1.1 mm #fountainpen nib. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/10393452654/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

Stipula 1 mm I think, I traded for it, just a writing sample:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7904260172_3ebe27fa1d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/7904260172/)
Stipula Nib Transplant 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/7904260172/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

tandaina
October 22nd, 2013, 05:23 PM
A 1.1 is pretty standard and works well
For regular writing. Yields writing big enough to be easy to read, pleasing line variation, etc. I have a number of 1.1 nibs including a Lamy and they are work horses.


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yipe
October 22nd, 2013, 05:24 PM
Wow thanks KrazyIvan that is really thorough of you! Which of those 1.1's is your favorite? Which gives the finest line when going side to side?

KrazyIvan
October 22nd, 2013, 06:11 PM
Wow thanks KrazyIvan that is really thorough of you! Which of those 1.1's is your favorite? Which gives the finest line when going side to side?

I did not show my Goulet 1.1, that and the 1.1 Ken Cavers tuned for me are my favorites. Essentially, they are the same nib. Ken's is noticeably smoother. I generally don't like to leave the house with those. A Lamy 1.1 will always be in my EDC pen case. Kens nib delivers the finest line on the Horizontal.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/9658001119_3b2f7769e4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/9658001119/)
Bamboo Pen by Ken Cavers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/9658001119/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

Bogon07
October 22nd, 2013, 11:07 PM
Does anyone have any experience with these? Even the smallest one, the 1.1, seems like it would be kinda of wide for regular writing. How does it compare to something like the nib of the Pilot Plumix? Are the edges sharp or is this more of a cursive italic? Has anyone tried these for calligraphy?

I thank you for your time and attention in reading and responding to this post.

Originally I thought that too.

It depends on the angle of the edge of the nib. If you have it parallel with the lines on a page it will produce a wide downward stroke approx 1.1mm. But most people write with the edge rotated 30-45 degrees so the downward stroke will produce a much thinner line 0.5mm or so for cursive.

With this in mind you will see that even a 1.3 or 1.5 cursive italic/stub isn't too bad for regular writing.

See Richard Binder's Nibs reference for more detailed information on types of nibs - there is a link at the bottom of the page to further more details)
http://www.richardspens.com/?nibs=primer

ac12
October 22nd, 2013, 11:40 PM
I sometimes use a 1.1 for cursive.
I really like the look it gives to my cursive handwriting with only minor adjustment for the width of the nib.

But I write on wide ruled paper and use most of the vertical space on the line.

I'm a calligraphy novice, so printing is still difficult for me, not from the pen, but writing the letters so precisely with my hand at 45 degrees to the writing line.
I can write half-way decently with my arm vertical at 90 degrees to the line.

snedwos
October 23rd, 2013, 02:20 AM
I find the Lamy 1.1 perfect, while my TWSBI 1.1 is a little too wide.
I would like to get hold of a 0.8 or 0.9 stub, which i think would suit me better.

velo
October 23rd, 2013, 02:22 AM
They're cursive italics, and I agree that 1.1 mm in general is rather more than is *needed* for everyday writing, but it seems to appeal to a lot of people. My favorite italic is an Esterbrook 9314-F "Relief" stub, just enough variation to be attractive without being presumptuous. <G>

I agree and I've had 1.1 to 1.5 now and for me they are too much. I enjoy them but only for a bit of flair. The one I like now is 0.6mm that I ordered especially with my Nemosine.

Senecabud
October 23rd, 2013, 08:52 AM
The Lamy 1.1 is my "standard" nib, used for general writing. Even the 1.5 works for me in that regard, but I save the 1.9 for calligraphy. Throughout my long lifetime I preferred Fine nibs, but once I discovered the 1.1 it opened a new world to me. I keep nine pens constantly inked--each with a different color of ink (because I dislike changing ink colors in a pen), and use the 1.1 for blue, brown, and green. (The pen with black ink bears the 1.9.) But for turquoise, violet, and sepia, for example, I use the 1.5 because the wider swath of ink better displays those beautiful colors, for the same reason I use flex pens for shading inks. I think once you try the 1.1 you'll be hooked. :)

heath
October 23rd, 2013, 09:36 AM
I have the 1.9 at my office. When I get there later today I'll post a writing sample.

heath
October 23rd, 2013, 11:22 AM
Excuse the poor penmanship. I don't even know if some of those things are letters.

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kaisnowbird
October 24th, 2013, 09:49 AM
Nice!! :thumb:
Also, I really like the ink colour - it goes wonderfully with the 'lime green?' Safari.

heath
October 24th, 2013, 01:28 PM
Nice!! :thumb:
Also, I really like the ink colour - it goes wonderfully with the 'lime green?' Safari.

Neon Yellow SE.

yipe
October 24th, 2013, 03:01 PM
Wow guys, thank you all so much! I'm convinced, next time I'm buying pen-y things a couple Lamy italic nibs are sure to be part of it.

snedwos
October 25th, 2013, 04:52 PM
In real life I think merlot is rather redder than that. My bottle at least.


I sometimes use a 1.1 for cursive.
I really like the look it gives to my cursive handwriting with only minor adjustment for the width of the nib.

But I write on wide ruled paper and use most of the vertical space on the line.

I'm a calligraphy novice, so printing is still difficult for me, not from the pen, but writing the letters so precisely with my hand at 45 degrees to the writing line.
I can write half-way decently with my arm vertical at 90 degrees to the line.

It's not so much your hand that should be at 45 degrees, it's the nib edge. Try writing as you normally do, but rotate the pen in your hand until its the right angle.

yipe
October 26th, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nice!! :thumb:
Also, I really like the ink colour - it goes wonderfully with the 'lime green?' Safari.

Neon Yellow SE.
For some reason I read that as "noon yellow" and could not for the life of me figure out what color that would be? The blinding bright yellow of the sun maybe?

Moxoftritonytes
November 1st, 2013, 11:42 AM
If the 1,1mm Lamy italic is too big for your writing - I regrind fine, medium and broad Lamy Z50 steel nibs into stubs and italics and have a few spare nibs that I don`t use to give away. So if you are interested in getting one of these send me a PM.

cedargirl
November 4th, 2013, 12:24 AM
Cursive italic nibs aren't recommended for proper calligraphy as they are not crisp enough at the corners/edges (the very thing that makes them usable for cursive writing).
But hey - anything can be used for a bit of practice on forming the letters - note GClef's use of a pencil.

jacksterp
November 4th, 2013, 07:17 AM
Have two Lamys with the 1.1 installed and like the nib for everyday use.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8476/8371053215_5fe63403e1_c.jpg

Sailor Kenshin
November 4th, 2013, 02:28 PM
Depends how big you write, too.

I have a few of the 1.1 and one 1.5 and they add character to the handwriting of this southpaw hooker. ;p

Plus, they are really good for showing off lighter or shading inks.

yipe
November 6th, 2013, 12:26 AM
southpaw hooker.

I know what you mean, but that just doesn't sound right.

As for not being able to do calligraphy with a cursive italic, what about cursive calligraphy like for example roundhand?
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It's not particularly perfect (it is past midnight and I am in bed doodling on a Rhodia number 11 pad held in my hand) but the bottom was a Pilot Parallel pen inked with Diamine Oxblood and the top was a Pilot Metropolitan with a Plumix nib inked with Diamine Syrah. The line width variation may not be overwhelming but it's there.

Am I saying cursive italics are the best for calligraphy? No I'm not, but I don't understand when people say "You can't do calligraphy with that". I've seen pictures of beautiful calligraphy done in sand with a rake!

yipe
November 9th, 2013, 11:39 PM
I did end up getting that nib from Moxoftritonytes. It is super nice, I love it. It's about the same size as the nib on a plumix, but it is a C-C-C-CRISP italic. Frankly it's gorgeous. I absolutely love it. She has great handwriting too! Gorgeous German Roundhand.

Thank you so much Moxotritonytes! You took my Safari from being a pen I usually leave home to being my favorite pen.

snedwos
November 10th, 2013, 12:19 AM
I did end up getting that nib from Moxoftritonytes. It is super nice, I love it. It's about the same size as the nib on a plumix, but it is a C-C-C-CRISP italic. Frankly it's gorgeous. I absolutely love it. She has great handwriting too! Gorgeous German Roundhand.

Thank you so much Moxotritonytes! You took my Safari from being a pen I usually leave home to being my favorite pen.

I got one too, and I'm in love with it! It's a super smooth medium stub, everything I want from a nib except flex ( which couldn't be expected).


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