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ethernautrix
January 14th, 2014, 10:50 AM
This might be a very short conversation, or it might generate profound discussion, who knows? I don't know.

Pen geeks and (or?) pen nerds.

How is each defined?

Are there differences? If so, what are they?

Anyone? Anyone?

KrazyIvan
January 14th, 2014, 10:51 AM
I'll have to search for it but I am pretty sure we had this discussion. The consensus was that we are not socially inept and thus not nerds.

ethernautrix
January 14th, 2014, 11:05 AM
Was that widely not socially inept or only amongst other pen nerds? Did I participate in that thread? Do geeks have congenital, ah, conditions that set them apart? Or am I thinking of freaks? Why won't this dog get off my lap so I can type?

I have many questions.

KrazyIvan
January 14th, 2014, 11:29 AM
I searched and could not find the thread. I think it was before your time here with us.

Here is the wikipedia (yeah I know but for our purposes...) definition of nerd vs. geek

Nerd: A nerd (adjective: nerdy) is a person, typically described as being overly intellectual, obsessive, or socially impaired.

Geek: The word geek is a slang term originally used to describe eccentric or non-mainstream people, with different connotations ranging from "an expert or enthusiast" to "a person heavily interested in a hobby"

ethernautrix
January 14th, 2014, 11:40 AM
From Google: "define: geek"

geek
gēk/Submit
noun informal
1. an unfashionable or socially inept person.
2. a carnival performer who performs wild or disgusting acts.


Hmm, the confusion thickens.

I will note that at one Pen Posse, a Montblanc Meisterstuck was stuck into a roasted duck's beak. (Look away, children!)

KrazyIvan
January 14th, 2014, 11:41 AM
From Google: "define: geek"

geek
gēk/Submit
noun informal
1. an unfashionable or socially inept person.
2. a carnival performer who performs wild or disgusting acts.


Hmm, the confusion thickens.

I will note that at one Pen Posse, a Montblanc Meisterstuck was stuck into a roasted duck's beak. (Look away, children!)

LoL! Okay...

ChrisC
January 14th, 2014, 11:44 AM
From Google: "define: geek"

geek
gēk/Submit
noun informal
1. an unfashionable or socially inept person.
2. a carnival performer who performs wild or disgusting acts.


Hmm, the confusion thickens.

I will note that at one Pen Posse, a Montblanc Meisterstuck was stuck into a roasted duck's beak. (Look away, children!)

Reminds me of Sbrebrown's story of a man who stuck his hand down a pelikan's bill, just to see what it was like. Apparently, it was quite pleasant.

dannzeman
January 14th, 2014, 01:40 PM
In the footer of our main site we define geek thusly:

geek (gēk) pl. geeks (gēks)
n. An attractive, socially adept and very charismatic person who enjoys an obsession or two.

Paul-H
January 14th, 2014, 02:26 PM
I suspect both are the same, it's the person doing the name calling that's different;).

Paul who is now far to old to called either:)

kaisnowbird
January 14th, 2014, 06:18 PM
Definition from Dictionary.com:


Geek [geek] Slang

noun
1. a digital-technology expert or enthusiast (a term of pride as self-reference, but often used disparagingly by others).
2. a person who has excessive enthusiasm for and some expertise about a specialized subject or activity: a foreign-film geek.
3. a peculiar or otherwise dislikable person, especially one who is perceived to be overly intellectual.
4. a carnival performer who performs sensationally morbid or disgusting acts, as biting off the head of a live chicken.

verb (used without object)
5. to be overexcited about a specialized subject or activity, or to talk about it with excessive enthusiasm (usually followed by out ): I could geek out about sci-fi for hours.

Of course, one only needs to refer to a dictionary when the definition of a word was not readily provided. Dan's definition applies directly to the word 'geek' in the context of the term 'FPGeeks'. It is therefore the most correct and authoritative definition for the word when it's used in this forum. ;)

ethernautrix
January 15th, 2014, 03:39 AM
nerd
nərd/Submit
noun informal
1. a foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills or is boringly studious.

I suppose I like saying "pen nerd," cos if I say it very fast, it's pennerd.

Penerd!

I know. Doesn't make sense.

All I know is that pen geeks and pen nerds certainly know how to socialize with each other. Civilians' eyes glaze over, poor things.

Do you get the sense that the pen world is growing? Seems that most of my friends are penerds.



(Laughing, cos I did a quick check with Google on "penerd" to make sure there wasn't an existing, unflattering definition.)

ethernautrix
January 15th, 2014, 03:42 AM
Definition from Dictionary.com:


Geek [geek] Slang

noun
1. a digital-technology expert or enthusiast (a term of pride as self-reference, but often used disparagingly by others).
2. a person who has excessive enthusiasm for and some expertise about a specialized subject or activity: a foreign-film geek.
3. a peculiar or otherwise dislikable person, especially one who is perceived to be overly intellectual.
4. a carnival performer who performs sensationally morbid or disgusting acts, as biting off the head of a live chicken.

verb (used without object)
5. to be overexcited about a specialized subject or activity, or to talk about it with excessive enthusiasm (usually followed by out ): I could geek out about sci-fi for hours.

Of course, one only needs to refer to a dictionary when the definition of a word was not readily provided. Dan's definition applies directly to the word 'geek' in the context of the term 'FPGeeks'. It is therefore the most correct and authoritative definition for the word when it's used in this forum. ;)

Hahaha, definitely #2. Okay.

Maybe we should be Pen Elites.

pengeezer
January 15th, 2014, 06:58 AM
How `bout we combine the two--pen-neeks?

Or the french version--penniques?


John

reprieve
January 15th, 2014, 07:21 AM
This thread is bordering on the overly intellectual and obsessive; thus we are currently leaning toward penerdery. However, if some of us perform some wild carnival acts, we will swing the pendulum back toward pengeekery. I'm going to go practice fire-eating and vicious-lion-taming. Also, I do have a mermaid living in my bathtub.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/barnum_mermaid_advert.jpg

jar
January 15th, 2014, 08:05 AM
This thread is bordering on the overly intellectual and obsessive; thus we are currently leaning toward penerdery. However, if some of us perform some wild carnival acts, we will swing the pendulum back toward pengeekery. I'm going to go practice fire-eating and vicious-lion-taming. Also, I do have a mermaid living in my bathtub.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/barnum_mermaid_advert.jpg

I never met a FEJEE MERMAID but I did date Tessie the Tahitian Virgin for awhile.

pengeezer
January 15th, 2014, 08:58 AM
This thread is bordering on the overly intellectual and obsessive; thus we are currently leaning toward penerdery. However, if some of us perform some wild carnival acts, we will swing the pendulum back toward pengeekery. I'm going to go practice fire-eating and vicious-lion-taming. Also, I do have a mermaid living in my bathtub.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/barnum_mermaid_advert.jpg

So what happened to the Peruvian Daddies?


John

Manny
January 15th, 2014, 09:11 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/building-science-geek-nerd-dork-venn-diagram_zps4dnva7sm.jpeg

kaisnowbird
January 15th, 2014, 05:25 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/building-science-geek-nerd-dork-venn-diagram_zps4dnva7sm.jpeg

That's the diagram I was thinking of!! I remember being a dweeb at some point in my teens, until I discovered society and obsession and upgraded to geek status. :crazy_pilot:

PS: is the Obsession circle smaller than the other two or is it just an illusion?

reprieve
January 15th, 2014, 05:40 PM
PS: is the Obsession circle smaller than the other two or is it just an illusion?

Are you obsessing over it?

Woody
January 15th, 2014, 07:20 PM
A geek is a FP hack. A nerd is a guy with a pocket protector and a cell phone duck taped to his belt. NOT that there's anything wrong with that.

Jeph
January 16th, 2014, 05:44 AM
A pocket protector! What a perfect idea. I had forgotten all about those.

KrazyIvan
January 16th, 2014, 08:28 AM
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5535/11982387106_4b9a317174.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/11982387106/)
nerdy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan_romero/11982387106/) by IvanRomero (http://www.flickr.com/people/ivan_romero/), on Flickr

Today that is. (Yes I just got a meme generator for my phone).

kaisnowbird
January 16th, 2014, 06:28 PM
PS: is the Obsession circle smaller than the other two or is it just an illusion?

Are you obsessing over it?

Heheh, only insofar as being a geek, not obsessed to the point of being nerdy.

pengeezer
February 6th, 2014, 07:01 AM
How about "pen geezer" for the more seasoned of us? :)


John

hbdk
February 6th, 2014, 03:28 PM
Pen Geezer
LOL - I'll have to get myself a t-shirt with those exact words!

kidde
July 21st, 2014, 11:40 AM
First off, I'm late (habitually). While there has been nothing added since February I feel a need to comment. Yes I have a big mouth and frequently feel the need to comment.

Nerds tend to be very well informed and studious on matters of personal interest.
Geeks are Much More vocal and exuberant over their passions, hence the term "Geek out!"
Nerds are content being the smartest person in the room (after all, they expect it).
Geeks assume Everyone must be just as excited and into "it" as they are, so discussions quickly evolve into recitations of minutia to prove how devout they are.
Nerds respond with "Yes. I am aware of these facts."
Geeks reply with "OHMYGOD!!!AND THEY ONLY MADE 30,000 WITH THE RED TRIM!!! AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADD FROM SEPTEMBER '03 YOU SEE THAT ORIGINALLY IT WAS MAROON AND AFTER A WEEK OF PRODUCTION IT WAS CHANGED!!!"

So, two important distinctions.
Nerds expect ignorance, Geeks expect everyone to feel as they do.
Nerds assume you will never understand, Geeks think that with just a little more information you will be converted.
I am proud to say I am some of both. If you have to ask which and when, then never mind. I don't think you will ever get it.

Paul

CaptainBlack
July 22nd, 2014, 07:15 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/building-science-geek-nerd-dork-venn-diagram_zps4dnva7sm.jpeg

In the circles I move the part of the Universal set S outside any of these sets in this Venn diagram would be labled "norm".

norm = S \ (Inteligence U SocialIneptitude U Obsession )

:spy:

CB

(Curses the lack of LaTeX on FPGs)

RuiFromUK
July 22nd, 2014, 07:22 AM
"FP Geeks and Pen Nerds, What's the Difference?" - The same, the only variant is the depth of weirdness.

snedwos
July 22nd, 2014, 07:58 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/building-science-geek-nerd-dork-venn-diagram_zps4dnva7sm.jpeg

In the circles I move the part of the Universal set S outside any of these sets in this Venn diagram would be labled "norm".

norm = S \ (Inteligence U SocialIneptitude U Obsession )

:spy:

CB

(Curses the lack of LaTeX on FPGs)

Someone should implement it.

RuiFromUK
July 22nd, 2014, 08:14 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/building-science-geek-nerd-dork-venn-diagram_zps4dnva7sm.jpeg

In the circles I move the part of the Universal set S outside any of these sets in this Venn diagram would be labled "norm".

norm = S \ (Inteligence U SocialIneptitude U Obsession )

:spy:

CB

(Curses the lack of LaTeX on FPGs)

Someone should implement it.

It should be solvable with a couple of Fourier Transforms.

calamus
April 10th, 2019, 04:50 PM
A geek is someone who bites off the heads of chickens and snakes at carnivals, or used back when such things went on. I'm not exactly sure what the modern day equivalent would be.

penwash
April 10th, 2019, 05:52 PM
A geek is someone who bites off the heads of chickens and snakes at carnivals, or used back when such things went on. I'm not exactly sure what the modern day equivalent would be.

I suppose the modern equivalent ponders, wonders, and discuss online about a certain obsession that includes chicken engraved on the nib and snakes on the clip.

Quite a fitting name for us, actually :)

FredRydr
April 10th, 2019, 08:35 PM
Geek? Check out Tyrone Power in the film noir Nightmare Alley (https://youtu.be/4zW1uWX5ShE). His famous line when offered the job: "Mister, I was made for it." But hey, there might be a fountain pen in it.

calamus
April 11th, 2019, 11:09 AM
Last night as I was pondering my own question, it occurred to me that television "news" anchors might be the modern day equivalent of those who used to bite the head off of live chickens and snakes for a living.

And yes, there might be a fountain pen in it.

Sailor Kenshin
April 16th, 2019, 09:07 AM
Geek? Check out Tyrone Power in the film noir Nightmare Alley (https://youtu.be/4zW1uWX5ShE). His famous line when offered the job: "Mister, I was made for it." But hey, there might be a fountain pen in it.

One of the darkest films that I can actually enjoy.