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Manny
March 5th, 2014, 06:18 PM
>>> Just in time for Lent. (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/262266-lent/)<<<

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0305142012-1_zpswiaawxyl.jpg

Wile E Coyote
March 5th, 2014, 07:10 PM
Some people need to feel important.

kaisnowbird
March 5th, 2014, 07:15 PM
Please post them here.

I am not a Christian, but I'd like to think that I can appreciate and respect the reverence and spiritual significance involved in Lent.

Jon Szanto
March 5th, 2014, 07:28 PM
It's odd that, in the middle of a busy and tough couple of days, I happened to see that. I figured I knew what might have occurred, and the manner that it did is so sadly consistent with the way things go there. What in the bleeding fuck is the set of guidelines that they use to install these Guardians of the Proper Way?

Sheesh. They did this to Manny? The mind boggles.

Waski_the_Squirrel
March 5th, 2014, 07:43 PM
I am a Christian and had no problem with the post in question. But, I think they were trying to enforce their own rules, no matter how silly they may be.

Jon Szanto
March 5th, 2014, 08:06 PM
Oh, it was probably the proper thing to do, according to the Book of Silly Rules. All it does, though, it show how uneven the rules are, as well has how they are applied (or not).

I realize it is the lay of the land. It is just a shame when they so ham-handedly slap someone who has brought a lot of good to their community.

tandaina
March 5th, 2014, 08:33 PM
So you are going to create that thread here right?

pengeezer
March 5th, 2014, 08:45 PM
Oh, it was probably the proper thing to do, according to the Book of Silly Rules. All it does, though, it show how uneven the rules are, as well has how they are applied (or not).

I realize it is the lay of the land. It is just a shame when they so ham-handedly slap someone who has brought a lot of good to their community.

I think that one of the requirements is that the moderator-to-be has personally used "under-handed" on
their resume'. One can move up the moderator ladder immediately if "surreptitious" has been listed on their
resume' for 5+ years.


John

Manny
March 5th, 2014, 09:21 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0305142319_zpsagyygarl.jpg

pengeezer
March 5th, 2014, 10:07 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0305142319_zpsagyygarl.jpg

Manny,it's kind of hard to say why you didn't rate one of the higher powers or principalities....perhaps
they decided to give one of the newer minions an easy one,since their Book of Rules is set in stone.
It could also be that they didn't want your biblical canon to send scriptural shrapnel to
the places where it really was needed.


John

Manny
March 5th, 2014, 11:32 PM
Manny,it's kind of hard to say why you didn't rate one of the higher powers or principalities....perhaps
they decided to give one of the newer minions an easy one,since their Book of Rules is set in stone.
It could also be that [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=2]they didn't want your biblical canon to send scriptural shrapnel to
the places where it really was needed.


http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140126_zpsydrvronp.jpg

Toffer
March 6th, 2014, 02:16 AM
What a load of rubbish! FPN I mean not you Manny. I'm not religious but I'm not bothered if others are, if you don't like a thread just don't read it!

Manny
March 6th, 2014, 02:55 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140340-1_zps71xzjys9.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140340a-1_zpswpvb6ptr.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140441-1_zpshdp4sufb.jpg

Wile E Coyote
March 6th, 2014, 04:30 AM
It could have been worse...imagine if you said something negative about Noodler's Ink.

pengeezer
March 6th, 2014, 06:27 AM
Manny,it's kind of hard to say why you didn't rate one of the higher powers or principalities....perhaps
they decided to give one of the newer minions an easy one,since their Book of Rules is set in stone.
It could also be that [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=2]they didn't want your biblical canon to send scriptural shrapnel to
the places where it really was needed.


http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140126_zpsydrvronp.jpg

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?



John

pengeezer
March 6th, 2014, 06:29 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140340-1_zps71xzjys9.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140340a-1_zpswpvb6ptr.jpg

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0306140441-1_zpshdp4sufb.jpg

Nope,you're not the only one...........


John

tandaina
March 6th, 2014, 08:30 AM
I adore your handwriting. I'm down right covetous of your handwriting. Dang it, there's another thing to confess! :P

jar
March 6th, 2014, 09:02 AM
Remember, Manny are cold but few are frozen.

pengeezer
March 6th, 2014, 10:26 AM
Remember, Manny are cold but few are frozen.

And this is why I like being here......the puns they are a' flyin'......


John

LunaAzurina
March 6th, 2014, 11:41 AM
I second Tandaina, I'm totally intrigued.
So you are going to create that thread here right?

Manny
March 6th, 2014, 04:10 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0306141806-1_zpso2wgsl5n.jpg

Mags
March 6th, 2014, 04:18 PM
Looking forward to seeing the thread on here Manny. I think it should be titled Lenten Scripts and you encourage all to post a sample script/cursive sample using a scripture passage they wish to share.

Wile E Coyote
March 6th, 2014, 06:23 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0306141806-1_zpso2wgsl5n.jpg

So you're giving up FPN for Lent.

kirchh
March 6th, 2014, 06:54 PM
>>> Just in time for Lent. (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/262266-lent/)<<<

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0305142012-1_zpswiaawxyl.jpg

That would be January of last year.

--Daniel

Jon Szanto
March 6th, 2014, 07:16 PM
>>> Just in time for Lent. (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/262266-lent/)<<<

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Tutuguans/0305142012-1_zpswiaawxyl.jpg

I read that and I wondered "How does Manny know that the mod has a post count less than GOD?".

Manny
March 6th, 2014, 07:44 PM
So you're giving up FPN for Lent.

Bingo!

Farmboy
March 6th, 2014, 10:21 PM
Congratulations on your merit badge.

For your next badge get the entire thread removed. I have a fuzzy idea how you might accomplish this.

VertOlive
March 6th, 2014, 10:53 PM
Wait. I'm not clear what happened. You posted some calligraphy for Lent and got blocked somehow at FPN? Whoever did that needs to go to confession.

I'm way Catholic. I've been here a few months and no one has stacked any firewood around my feet yet...

Jon Szanto
March 6th, 2014, 11:03 PM
I'm way Catholic. I've been here a few months and no one has stacked any firewood around my feet yet...

Well, precisely. FPG is *not* FPN. They have specific rules that prohibit the posting of religious or political threads. The implication was that if someone used some religious text as the body for an example of handwriting, that was one thing, but posting such so that it became the 'content' of the thread crossed a line. Or so they say. It's all judgmental, and that is the way they roll over there.

It's different here.

Llewellyn
March 7th, 2014, 02:50 AM
It's different here.

And I for one am very,very thankful for that. Do you reckon that'll get me booted out of FPN?

reprieve
March 7th, 2014, 06:20 AM
Congratulations on your merit badge.

For your next badge get the entire thread removed. I have a fuzzy idea how you might accomplish this.


There's that pesky fuzz again.

http://img2.targetimg2.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/11/14/11144719.jpg

jar
March 7th, 2014, 06:41 AM
At this time of year when we are approaching rebirth and renewal it is good to get outdoors and take up the sport in which Jesus commanded we participate.

"Take up Lacrosse and follow me".

Crazyorange
March 7th, 2014, 07:03 AM
You guys are too funny. From Lent to lint.

pengeezer
March 7th, 2014, 07:14 AM
Congratulations on your merit badge.

For your next badge get the entire thread removed. I have a fuzzy idea how you might accomplish this.

Don't know what your idea might be,but mine would involve the use of choice sections
of Matthew 23.


John

encremental
March 7th, 2014, 11:17 AM
I am sure we will all be astounded to see the number of threads that are locked at Christmas.

Although not a religious person myself, enough is finally enough of that FPN crap (OMG I can say crap! (in fact OMG I can say G!!)).

I have moved all my pens and inks over here; the peace lily and litter tray arrive tomorrow.




Hello!

John

jar
March 7th, 2014, 11:38 AM
Long long ago and in a land far far away, here was one of my lesson handouts when I was teaching adult and youth Sunday School



Easter and the Pentecost; Passover and Shavuot.


Easter and Pentecost. On Easter Day we celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus and on Pentecost the arrival of the Holy Spirit. As a Jew, Jesus would have celebrated Passover and Shavuot at the same times.

But what are Passover and Shavuot?

Jesus had made his annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover. Passover is one of the three Pilgrimage Feasts mandated in the Torah. The other two mandated Pilgrimages are Shavuot and Sukkoth.

Most of us grew up learning the stories of Exodus, how the Israelites were warned to stay inside their homes and to paint the door frame with blood so the Angel of the Lord would pass over their homes as he killed the first born son of the Egyptians.

Shavuot is likely less familiar, but like the other two Pilgrimage Festivals, is related to the Exodus story. It celebrates the day that Moses was given the Torah on the Mountain of Sinai, and the day that the Jews accepted God’s Law, became a Nation of God.

Like Easter, it is a movable feast and falls seven, seven day weeks after the Second Day of Passover. It is called “The Feast of Counting” as the Jews anticipate the days, count the days, from Passover to the day of acceptance.

But how did the exact time of celebration come about?

No one actually knows when the Passover happened, or when exactly Moses received the Torah, so why do we celebrate Passover, Shavuot, Easter and Pentecost at these particular times of year?

Historically, Passover was celebrated with the first offerings of Barley. Wheat ripened slightly later and Shavuot was also the first offering from the Wheat harvest. The timing for these Pilgrimages corresponded to bringing the first of the harvests to the Temple, as offerings and for blessings.

The Third Mandatory Pilgrimage is Sukkoth. It too is related to the Exodus and when I was growing up it was one of the most fun celebrations.


I grew up in an almost all Jewish neighborhood, so all my friends were Jewish. I was the Shabbat Goy, the Christian boy the orthodox Jews could call on to do things on Shabbat, turn on lights, turn on or off the stove, run errands.

One advantage though was getting to celebrate Sukkoth with my friends. Sukkoth commemorates living in the desert while on the Exodus march. All the kids get to make tents from tables and we got to sleep in them and have our meals on the floor and eat with our hands and get dirty and all the things we couldn’t do at other times.

But even Sukkoth is timed with the harvest. One of the traditions of Sukkoth is shaking the Four Species. The Four Species are Date Palm Fronds, Willow Branches, Myrtle and Citron, a fruit like lemons. As folk living here in the Valley know, citrus fruits are a Fall Harvest. It's why oranges and grapefruit are often gifts at Christmas.

To celebrate, you take the Date Palm Frond, some Myrtle and the Willow in the left hand, and hold the Citron in your right. As you bring the two hands together, they are blessed. You then shake them three times to each of the four corners, to North, East, South and West.

The ceremony is a prayer of thanks for the year’s bounty and that there be rain enough for all the coming years’ growth.

Beyond the symbolic meanings of the Exodus in Passover, Shavuot and Sukkoth, beyond the symbolic meanings of Easter and the Pentecost, there was life, and an acknowledgement of the cycles of life and the harvest.

Annie
March 7th, 2014, 12:25 PM
I am a very lapsed Catholic. I reckon if I shuffled off to confession now, nearly 40 years since the last one, the poor priest would have an attack of the vapours and I doubt there's enough Hail Marys and Our Fathers he could give me. I'm doomed, I know this - prolly going to hell on a handcart and you do actually have to repent and mostly, I don't.

Meanwhile, back with the idea that Manny's thoughts on whatever religion he holds dear could or should be locked out of 'the other place' is just nuts. That the thread was locked tells me that the rules are being stuck to. However batshit crazy I find that, however much I disagree with it, I defend their right to do it and in doing so, to show that the whole ethos of the place is against any principle I may have and I say this as one who doesn't have that many.

Sailor Kenshin
March 7th, 2014, 01:25 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0306141806-1_zpso2wgsl5n.jpg

So you're giving up FPN for Lent.

:(

It's kinda sad all around.

dr.grace
March 7th, 2014, 01:37 PM
Giving up FPN for Lent? (Sorry, I hadn't read to the end of the thread).

Gotta say I do love your handwriting and I also love meditating on Scripture. So this is a perfect combination, AFAIC.

mhosea
March 7th, 2014, 02:57 PM
I reckon if I shuffled off to confession now, nearly 40 years since the last one, the poor priest would have an attack of the vapours and I doubt there's enough Hail Marys and Our Fathers he could give me. I'm doomed, I know this - prolly going to hell on a handcart and you do actually have to repent and mostly, I don't.


They tend to be quite good about that sort of thing, vis-a-vis The Prodigal Son. You're probably looking at 5 of each, tops, i.e. no big deal. ;) But you make a good point about the repentance part. Coming home to work in your father's fields is a bit different from crashing in your old bedroom overnight on the way to the next neighboring country for another year of riotous living. :)

85AKbN
March 7th, 2014, 05:55 PM
...Lent to lint.
and why didn't that one get locked? only sarcastic religious threads allowed?

AltecGreen
March 7th, 2014, 06:05 PM
...Lent to lint.
and why didn't that one get locked? only sarcastic religious threads allowed?

According to Loren's message on Facebook, the lint has "disappeared."

Of course, I don't go to FPN so I have no idea.

Cookies
March 7th, 2014, 07:52 PM
I dislike the forum's sporadic enforcing of rules as much as the next FPN expat, but I don't see the problem with this one. The rules about not posting overtly religious or political threads are pretty clear. You did, so they locked it. This is a rule on a few other forums I frequent/have frequented as well.

Farmboy
March 7th, 2014, 09:54 PM
...Lent to lint.
and why didn't that one get locked? only sarcastic religious threads allowed?

According to Loren's message on Facebook, the lint has "disappeared."

Of course, I don't go to FPN so I have no idea.
The lint, the fuzz, and the fur have all been parsed along with some of my best work.

Manny
March 8th, 2014, 12:21 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/2014-03-08_02-17-03_257-1_zpsfeb66d69.jpg

Manny
March 8th, 2014, 03:59 PM
This is one of the best I've gotten in a long time...

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0308141748_zpsztmpiiie.jpg

I could add, "...through God, our Lord."...would that pass the FPN rules?

Wile E Coyote
March 8th, 2014, 04:34 PM
You could add that here. It is a bit "overt" for elsewhere though. If you follow their rules you could post covert religious posts.

Pendragon
March 8th, 2014, 06:07 PM
Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
That would seem to be an instance of "Don't cry over spilt milk". It seems like good advice to me. We can't change the past, but we can take actions in the present that will make the future better. If you are in a situation where you or others are treated badly, on a forum, in a relationship or anything else, why on earth would you stick around? You don't have to put up with that crap.


I could add, "...through God, our Lord."...would that pass the FPN rules?
Does it really matter? The worst they could do is ban you. Is it punishment to be banned from such a place?


Courage is not the absence of fear; it is the conquest of it.

But leaving one forum and joining another is like putting down a copy of one magazine and picking a copy of another. It is no big deal.

Forums are like businesses. Some are quite well run and others much less so. It's not like proprietors of a poorly run business set out to make it that way. Sometimes that's just how things turn out, yet management won't give up control or make the necessary changes. C'est la vie. Why deal with those places when one does not have to?


If you follow their rules you could post covert religious posts.
It seems to me that watching fleas crawl over the dog would be a more productive use of time. ;)

Take care, everyone. Just remember we were put on this Earth to have fun!

Scrawler
March 9th, 2014, 09:20 PM
Where is the thread?

Manny
March 10th, 2014, 02:12 PM
Where is the thread?

Which thread? This one? (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/262266-lent/?p=2919483)
You have to be logged in to see The Write Stuff sub-forum.

Manny
March 11th, 2014, 03:06 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0311141659-1_zpsx3yjgxcl.jpg

Sailor Kenshin
March 11th, 2014, 06:28 PM
What nib do you have on the Vista?

Manny
March 11th, 2014, 07:05 PM
What nib do you have on the Vista?

1.5...oh, and Quink Blue-Black--because I know YOU like know those things.

Sailor Kenshin
March 12th, 2014, 07:38 AM
Thanks....it's true. -_-

Titivillus
March 12th, 2014, 03:28 PM
Being banned isn't so bad it gives you a wonderful perspective on how nasty people can actually be. Some of the things that were said about me were on the bleeding edge of libel. But I can only hope that at some time in the future Karma kicks them as hard as they kicked me.

ethernautrix
March 12th, 2014, 03:53 PM
I saw the Lent thread and thought, "Oh. This is going to be disappeared*." But I didn't have a negative reaction to it, even though I'm not a Christian. (I say atheist sometimes, Buddhist sometimes.) But I've also seen plenty of comments and threads disappeared when theists objected to the non-theists' posts; it goes round and round.

I'd prefer to see the posts. Often, they give me something to think about, sometimes in surprising ways. As a non-Christian, I could look at giving up something for Lent as giving up something as a practice of non-attachment, for instance.

I remember some rollicking debates in Chatter a few years ago. Yeah, some folks got their noses bent out of shape, but if you could filter out the noise, you could hear something worth paying attention to.

And some of the things people said, even if coarse, were plain hilarious. (I have a thick skin, me; a broad sense of humor.)

I've had posts and threads disappear - and was never warned nor reprimanded. I questioned only one of those instances. I could imagine how report-button-happy some members can be.

Me, I have never reported a post that wasn't a spam (and then, only a couple of times as it was reasonable to assume that the spam posts had been reported already).

I would have read the Lent thread with some interest - or, if it became too fervent for my comfort, I'd have stopped reading it.


*Used in the Iran-Contra sense.

Manny
March 12th, 2014, 04:12 PM
I'm not a Christian. (I say atheist sometimes, Buddhist sometimes.)


Are you sure you're not a Christian? Wait...maybe I'm Buddhist sometimes. I know I've been an atheist before, and that was only...meh.

ethernautrix
March 12th, 2014, 06:10 PM
I'm not a Christian. (I say atheist sometimes, Buddhist sometimes.)


Are you sure you're not a Christian? Wait...maybe I'm Buddhist sometimes. I know I've been an atheist before, and that was only...meh.

I'm laughing, cos an iconoclast from Massachusetts at the Killarney (Ireland) youth hostel who'd been debating a theology student from Philadelphia said that I was unconsciously Christian. Maybe there isn't a need to label it.

79spitfire
March 12th, 2014, 11:18 PM
I find it interesting how many take avoiding religion to a 'devotional' level. It's almost as if they are afraid of being wrong. I'm not strictly religious myself, but I can see the good, it has brought the world, I can also see where society's trend away from it is causing much larger problems.

Denying the existence of something, weather you agree with it or not, has never made it go away.

I can find that excessive religion can be off-putting, so to speak, but it doesn't bother me. I'm one of those who realizes the internet, just like the telly and the radio, have off buttons.

ethernautrix
March 13th, 2014, 05:33 AM
I find it interesting how many take avoiding religion to a 'devotional' level. It's almost as if they are afraid of being wrong. I'm not strictly religious myself, but I can see the good, it has brought the world, I can also see where society's trend away from it is causing much larger problems.

The beauty of discussing religion freely is that those critical of certain arguments in favor of specific religions or religious practices can contribute to the conversation. I am not concerned about proselytizing on the boards, cos I have my own mind and can decide for myself. It is not my responsibility to protect others who might be vulnerable to persuasion, if that's a fear for some in wanting to avoiding discussing religion. As long as there is discussion, though, many opinions can be represented, and that is better than having no discussion.

I mean, if Manny wants to mention God in all of his posts (sorry to single you out for illustrative purposes, Manny), and if I am moved to say something that supports a contrary position, I'd be satisfied having that option. Nothing one says on the Internet is safe from criticism, and that's the chance we all take. I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions, and I hardly expect most or many to agree. If I were to go all-out atheist on the boards, then I wouldn't be surprised if some members took exception to it. If they couldn't be polite about it, then that says more about them than about me. I wouldn't try to shut them up by clicking on the report button. *Quasi-evil laugh

Manny
March 13th, 2014, 06:26 AM
*Quasi-evil laugh

ethernautrix for President!

Scrawler
March 13th, 2014, 06:54 AM
The only reason that Manny's demonstration of calligraphy got caught is because it is in English. There have been other posts in which hand written examples of a persons art, have contained overtly religious exhortations. The only difference is, is that they were written in Arabic calligraphy, so the western viewer only sees coloured lines on the page. If Manny had written this same text, but in, say, a spiral, I believe it would have passed.

jar
March 13th, 2014, 07:31 AM
I think we all should remember that discussion is not synonymous with proselytizing.

If someone likes believes Noodler's ink is worth buying and posts a thread explaining why they might believe such nonsense, then that should be acceptable as a statement of belief. If on the other hand they post that "I" or "YOU" should believe that Noodler's ink is worth buying then they are proselytizing.

There is a difference between the two.

We do not all believe the same things and that is good.

There are members of this forum that would actually own and use a TWSBI or Montblanc or (God's forfend) a Nakaya pen in public. There have even been people who admit they use ball points. But that is their right and I would support their right (verbally but not financially) to be seen using a Nakaya.

What is not needed here are posts that say if I do not like Noodler's ink I am damned and will go to hell or that I am wrong for thinking my Sheaffer Legacy Victorian is a better pen than my Montblanc 149s.

Titivillus
March 13th, 2014, 08:58 AM
But it is not just the words but the spirit behind them that needs to be thought of. There isn't much of a difference between explicit and implicit just that one tap dances better with the words. saying that Noodlers is junk vs. saying that liking Noodlers is nonsense are just shades of the same spirit. I believe 'x' and anyone that believes 'non-x' is believing nonsense is Ad hominem. Maybe seperating the information from the person is the better.

Scrawler
March 13th, 2014, 09:05 AM
I think we all should remember that discussion is not synonymous with proselytizing.

If someone likes believes Noodler's ink is worth buying and posts a thread explaining why they might believe such nonsense, then that should be acceptable as a statement of belief. If on the other hand they post that "I" or "YOU" should believe that Noodler's ink is worth buying then they are proselytizing.

There is a difference between the two.

We do not all believe the same things and that is good.

There are members of this forum that would actually own and use a TWSBI or Montblanc or (God's forfend) a Nakaya pen in public. There have even been people who admit they use ball points. But that is their right and I would support their right (verbally but not financially) to be seen using a Nakaya.

What is not needed here are posts that say if I do not like Noodler's ink I am damned and will go to hell or that I am wrong for thinking my Sheaffer Legacy Victorian is a better pen than my Montblanc 149s.
In exactly the same way as people have so far been free to put what they like in their signatures. All these do is state affiliation, nothing else. If what Manny has done is considered offensive, then so are any of dozens of sigs. If those sigs are acceptable, then so is Manny's post.

BTW. Not all Noodlers inks are equal.

lsmith42
March 13th, 2014, 10:11 AM
*Quasi-evil laugh

ethernautrix for President!

Do NOT encourage her...

lsmith42
March 13th, 2014, 10:14 AM
We should remember that Christianity has always been considered as offensive.

How many world religions can say that?

ethernautrix
March 13th, 2014, 10:58 AM
I think we all should remember that discussion is not synonymous with proselytizing.

True. I enjoyed your essay about having been born into a religious southern family and your personal path to belief, and I did not detect (nor look for) any proselytizing at all. Such peeks into others' lives is interesting - and maybe even important in that they can spur one's own reflections, maybe leading to insight.

pengeezer
March 13th, 2014, 01:02 PM
I think we all should remember that discussion is not synonymous with proselytizing.

True. I enjoyed your essay about having been born into a religious southern family and your personal path to belief, and I did not detect (nor look for) any proselytizing at all. Such peeks into others' lives is interesting - and maybe even important in that they can spur one's own reflections, maybe leading to insight.

It may also be that such insight may be the reason for some folks to hate any idea of seeing anything
religious in this website. There may things that they refuse to deal with.

BTW,I didn't see anything in Jar's story either that would be considered proselytizing.


John

Jon Szanto
March 13th, 2014, 01:07 PM
It may also be that such insight may be the reason for some folks to hate any idea of seeing anything
religious in this website. There may things that they refuse to deal with.

I think it is maybe not helpful to speculate as to why someone might not like something. There can be many reasons for people wanting to avoid the topic of religion, and one needn't assume that it is because of some lack or fault of their own.

ethernautrix
March 13th, 2014, 03:01 PM
*Quasi-evil laugh

ethernautrix for President!

Do NOT encourage her...

Oh. I don't have the ambition for that. Nor would my past stand up to scrutiny.

Not to mention my qualifications.

But, thank you, Manny.

Manny
March 13th, 2014, 03:11 PM
*Quasi-evil laugh
ethernautrix for...for...umm...for...I know!
Secretary of State!?

ethernautrix
March 13th, 2014, 03:22 PM
*Quasi-evil laugh
ethernautrix for...for...umm...for...I know!
Secretary of State!?

That's sexist!





























Obviously kidding.

At least I hope it's obvious. Hehe!

lsmith42
March 13th, 2014, 04:55 PM
And, for the record... I'm pretty sure of Lisa's qualifications as a Buddhist, but I've told her she's a lousy Atheist...:)

jar
March 13th, 2014, 05:10 PM
And, for the record... I'm pretty sure of Lisa's qualifications as a Buddhist, but I've told her she's a lousy Atheist...:)

If that is the case, which of her past lives might cause the greatest concern?

ethernautrix
March 13th, 2014, 06:38 PM
And, for the record... I'm pretty sure of Lisa's qualifications as a Buddhist, but I've told her she's a lousy Atheist...:)

If that is the case, which of her past lives might cause the greatest concern?

Probably this one.

Jon Szanto
March 13th, 2014, 06:41 PM
And, for the record... I'm pretty sure of Lisa's qualifications as a Buddhist, but I've told her she's a lousy Atheist...:)

If that is the case, which of her past lives might cause the greatest concern?

Probably this one.

I've got money on the next...

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 09:29 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0314141124-1_zpsnixikhga.jpg

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 09:30 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0314141110-1_zpspchdb3iq.jpg

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 10:01 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0314141159_zpswzw3qqa9.jpg

cwent2
March 14th, 2014, 10:19 AM
Congratulations!

Parchment Paper would make a bigger statement

pengeezer
March 14th, 2014, 10:47 AM
Congratulations!

Parchment Paper would make a bigger statement


+1


John

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 01:14 PM
Congratulations!

Parchment Paper would make a bigger statement

I had a better idea...vellum. The same translucent vellum I used to write the wedding invitations on.

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/2014-03-14_14-58-58_252_zps10hyo5sj.jpg

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 01:39 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0314141537_zpsu8f4yrgj.jpg

Manny
March 14th, 2014, 05:02 PM
I honestly did not know where to put this link to an article (http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=2579683.proteus.fma), but since this thread is drifting anyway...

kia
March 14th, 2014, 06:09 PM
Thanks for the link, Manny. Hope Tennessee passes that law. It would be terrible to think that someone somewhere else in the States might have to send their kids to Tennessee to learn to write, though. :(

snedwos
March 15th, 2014, 09:11 AM
The sad thing is that they don't make the most important point. Fine motor skills are really important especially at a young age.

Manny
March 15th, 2014, 01:23 PM
Ok, so here's another article (http://opinion.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=34606&content=102631094&pageNum=-1) that really has nothing to do with penmanship, but opines why kids these days are so attached to their electronic gadgets.

Manny
March 16th, 2014, 10:54 AM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0316141247_zps91nveomv.jpg

Scrawler
March 16th, 2014, 11:32 AM
The sad thing is that they don't make the most important point. Fine motor skills are really important especially at a young age.

^^^--This!

ethernautrix
March 16th, 2014, 03:06 PM
Happy anniversary, Manny! And many, many more!

caribbean_skye
March 16th, 2014, 03:32 PM
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/fpgeeks/0314141159_zpswzw3qqa9.jpg

Happy anniversary! May you have many more happy years together.

Manny
March 17th, 2014, 02:54 PM
Okay, so here I go again. But first, the WARNING...
This link (http://opinion.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=34606&content=102662699&pageNum=-1) is for an opinion piece on foxnews.com, and it touched on points that rang true with me, so far as to how my decision to take "a sabbatical" from the FPN was necessary.
Please don't read the article, if you're looking for an argument, because you won't get one...at least not from me.

Crazyorange
March 17th, 2014, 03:56 PM
Gosh - I'm not religious- I wouldn't care if she wore her cross. I like diversity in the people around me. Well her article explains why tv can be boring ands repetitive. I enjoy hearing others views even if I don't agree. Sometimes I think I know it all ;) but then I hear others views and sudden my perspective changes. I hope we don't become overly "politically correct" in our interactions.

Congrats manny on your anniversary. Wishing you many years ahead.

Shimmershadow
May 16th, 2014, 04:59 AM
Disclaimer: I find Fox News abhorrent and offensive on so many levels, the fact that it calls itself "news" is just the beginning.

That said, I also don't care if someone wants to wear their cross, or a Magen David, or any other religious symbol. I almost never remove my pentacle, and if I do, you can be damn sure I'm wearing something Pagan somewhere. I don't think that these things should be banned because someone disagrees--it's something extremely personal, and if any discussion is inspired by it, one would hope that it is intelligent and respectful.

GUNGA GALUNGA
May 22nd, 2014, 10:05 PM
Nice writing, manny

Pendragon
June 1st, 2014, 03:14 PM
Disclaimer: I find Fox News abhorrent and offensive on so many levels, the fact that it calls itself "news" is just the beginning.
How is Fox any better or worse than CBS? Fox was an expected and unfortunate backlash against the equally unfortunate liberal media bias on other outlets. Far-left bias distorts and repurposes the truth just as much as its far-right counterpart, does it not?


That said, I also don't care if someone wants to wear their cross, or a Magen David, or any other religious symbol. I almost never remove my pentacle, and if I do, you can be damn sure I'm wearing something Pagan somewhere. I don't think that these things should be banned because someone disagrees--it's something extremely personal, and if any discussion is inspired by it, one would hope that it is intelligent and respectful.
An open minded, humane and civilized approach to be sure. Hopefully it will become more widespread.

On TV news, things are very definitely banned because someone disagrees. Hairstyles, words and religious symbols are among the many things carefully regulated. This is done to maximize viewership, which results in higher ratings and increased ad revenue. One local TV anchor where I live wore her hair in cornrows one day and was eventually dismissed as a result. The wording of news broadcasts is carefully chosen so that even a child can understand every word. If people hear a word in a newscast they do not understand, it makes them feel stupid and they will change the channel. That is not good for ratings.

Restrictions on personal religious symbols say more our intolerance as a society than about a network's unfairness. People want to be told what they want to hear, and are often unwilling to even consider other viewpoints. IMHO, that is abhorrent because it leads to ignorance and oppression. Don't believe me? Just try mentioning gel pens favorably on one of the other fountain pen forums. One would likely get verbally tarred and feathered for daring to be so open minded.

GING GING
November 7th, 2014, 10:35 PM
It could have been worse...imagine if you said something negative about Noodler's Ink.

You are so right.

Manny
November 15th, 2014, 03:38 AM
http://youtu.be/Do_M58AJD14

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Gibberish/1114140728-1.jpg

Sailor Kenshin
November 15th, 2014, 04:39 AM
Congrats!

jar
November 15th, 2014, 07:17 AM
Neat.

chojo
November 17th, 2014, 07:55 AM
http://youtu.be/Do_M58AJD14

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Gibberish/1114140728-1.jpg

Heartfelt congratulations manny, to you and your family.

Manny
March 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
Yay!?


http://youtu.be/2FppUNrQvW0

jar
March 7th, 2016, 06:07 AM
There is a reason kids that age are bottom padded.

RNHC
March 18th, 2016, 11:51 AM
I think that one of the requirements is that the moderator-to-be has personally used "under-handed" on
their resume'. One can move up the moderator ladder immediately if "surreptitious" has been listed on their
resume' for 5+ years.


John

:bounce: Excellent! :thumb:

Titivillus
March 18th, 2016, 12:14 PM
And to think I created 'The write stuff' all those years ago and to see what a twisted forum it is now.

Manny
March 31st, 2016, 01:15 AM
Here...for those of youse who don't visit that other place.
You'll have to turn the volume up. I think she's trying to say "dog" or "cat" or something.


https://youtu.be/vW9YGzke5Yo

penultress
March 31st, 2016, 12:46 PM
Here...for those of youse who don't visit that other place.
You'll have to turn the volume up. I think she's trying to say "dog" or "cat" or something.


https://youtu.be/vW9YGzke5Yo
Manny, she's adorable!

Manny
April 8th, 2016, 07:29 AM
Quick, somebody pull my finger...

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Gibberish/0C2C7CDB-830B-4D74-B135-EBDA25D8144B_1.png

jar
April 8th, 2016, 07:59 AM
Where is her fountain pen?

Manny
April 8th, 2016, 08:21 AM
Where is her fountain pen?
Oh, that's coming. I wanted to start her with crayons yesterday, but mama thinks it's too early.

SIR
July 4th, 2016, 12:43 PM
>>> Just in time for Lent. (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/262266-lent/)

No way!!

That's the same guy who deleted posts of mine and accused me of profaning and arguing with moderators etc... such a eunuch!

I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for him; but I left, rather than got banned.