Parker Knockoff?

[RayCornett]

Feather type stripes on the edge like the feather stabilizer on an arrow, and a diamond shape imprint on the tip of the lever, nib and section similar to that of a 51.123311233212333

[Jon Szanto]

There are a few other pens, at least, that I'd think of before a P51 with that hood and nib.

[RayCornett]

There are a few other pens, at least, that I'd think of before a P51 with that hood and nib.

Like which brands? I am fairly new to that nib style and such. There is no brand name on it. Just a monogram on the barrel.

[Jon Szanto]

Well, for instance, it looks very much like a Waterman Taperite:

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/waterman/taperite_linedcap_grey_2.jpg

One might say that the cap 'jewel' also bears a strong resemblance to Taperite caps:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eJxCeUIIocc/U3PxXVFxtqI/AAAAAAAAREM/GJcdYgSK0f0/s1600/03.JPG

Then again, there is a strong resemblance to the business end of one of my favorite pens in all the world, a vintage Aurora 88P:

http://www.estilograficas.org/img_slide/aurora-88/aurora-88-5g.jpg


If there are literally no manufacturer's markings on the pen, it is once again more than likely a low-tier pen, but it really doesn't seem to have all that much in common with a Parker 51. It is times like this that large compendiums, like Andreas Lambrou's "Fountain Pens of the World" are so handy. Not to mention that the many hours browsing the history and output of the world's great pen manufacturer's will broaden your visual knowledgebase with respect to picking out stylistic similarities.

[RayCornett]

I have a lady Taperite Crusader that was given to me along with this pen and others. So, I know it isn't that.

[Jon Szanto]

I have a lady Taperite Crusader that was given to me along with this pen and others. So, I know it isn't that.

I didn't imply that it was either a specific pen, nor a clone of a specific pen. Additionally, if you'll go over the entire Taperite line, you'll see a lot of variation, including two very different nib styles (similar to how Sheaffer Snorkels came with both conical and open nibs). That said, the visual analogies I posted are certainly closer to what you have than this:

http://www.estilograficas.org/imagenes/examen/parker-51-double-jewel-vacumatic/parker-51-double-jewel-vacumatic-6.JPG

[HughC]

The Indian maker, Wilson, was a prolific Parker/Sheaffer inspired company !! See http://fountainpenrevolution.com/historical_sales.html#Historical , http://fountainpenrevolution.com/vintagepens.html as well as this (http://fountainpenboard.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2030-wilson-vacumatic-indian-parker-knock-off-photo/) on the FPB

Regards
Hugh

[RayCornett]

I should know it is not a parker 51 knock off. Not a good one at least. It is a lever filler for one thing. I forgot to mention that.

[mrcharlie]

I'm not an expert on this type of pen, but I have one with the same lever and same cap (or very close), but a different, more hooded nib. I tried to find out a little more about it when I first got it a couple years ago.

This is what a lot of the old guard of pen collectors and repairers call a "third tier" pen. They were sold under at least a handful of brand names and also without branding for the purposes of being engraved as a gift, or with business branding. Mine has no brand name but the owner's name is engraved in the barrel. A lot of the parts for these pens were made by the same one or two manufacturers. A lot of the time they had nibs with a tipping ball formed by folding under (either front to back, or little side wings folded down; one type is similar to Esterbrook 1000/2000 series nib tips) the ends of the tines instead of having hard metal tipping.

I believe a lot of these pens were made or at least assembled by the National Pen Products Company of Chicago. I've seen pictures of at least one pen with same cap as mine (and this one) with the National brand name, but also at least one with a completely different brand (I didn't record it nor remember it). The National company used other brand names but I didn't investigate it much further, and don't have a list.

[HughC]

I'm not an expert on this type of pen, but I have one with the same lever and same cap (or very close), but a different, more hooded nib. I tried to find out a little more about it when I first got it a couple years ago.

This is what a lot of the old guard of pen collectors and repairers call a "third tier" pen. They were sold under at least a handful of brand names and also without branding for the purposes of being engraved as a gift, or with business branding. Mine has no brand name but the owner's name is engraved in the barrel. A lot of the parts for these pens were made by the same one or two manufacturers. A lot of the time they had nibs with a tipping ball formed by folding under (either front to back, or little side wings folded down; one type is similar to Esterbrook 1000/2000 series nib tips) the ends of the tines instead of having hard metal tipping.

I believe a lot of these pens were made or at least assembled by the National Pen Products Company of Chicago. I've seen pictures of at least one pen with same cap as mine (and this one) with the National brand name, but also at least one with a completely different brand (I didn't record it nor remember it). The National company used other brand names but I didn't investigate it much further, and don't have a list.

National was a high quality manufacturer, definitely not third tier. Sears sourced a lot from National as well as Parker, Wahl and others. Some of the names National pens appeared under include Good Service. Gold Bond, Gold Crown, Gold Medal, Diamond Medal and Lincoln.
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