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Cob
July 20th, 2014, 04:42 PM
Hullo all.

I've just bought three tatty ones and am hoping that you experts can identify them. The picture is appalling for which I apologise - but I didn't make it!

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Thanks in advance,

Cob

Jon Szanto
July 20th, 2014, 05:08 PM
I have no idea what you paid, but pen #3 is a Waterman "Lady Patricia", a very handsome pen to have. It may even be in the celluloid known as Persian. Not an easy find, and while they are prone to discoloration, yours looks to be pretty good. Please see this post (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/101365-colors-of-the-lady-patricia/#entry997413), in the midst of a thread, for good pics and information.

The other two I'm not sure, though it seems the middle has a Waterman nib? What the hell are you doing buying all these pens of which you don't know what they are?!?

Cob
July 20th, 2014, 05:21 PM
I have no idea what you paid, but pen #3 is a Waterman "Lady Patricia", a very handsome pen to have. It may even be in the celluloid known as Persian. Not an easy find, and while they are prone to discoloration, yours looks to be pretty good. Please see this post (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/101365-colors-of-the-lady-patricia/#entry997413), in the midst of a thread, for good pics and information.

The other two I'm not sure, though it seems the middle has a Waterman nib? What the hell are you doing buying all these pens of which you don't know what they are?!?

Ha ha ha! Thanks very much. I looked at the link you kindly included - it looks as though for once I might have landed on my feet! Well I did put them up here in the Waterman's section - they were sold as Waterman's pens. The metal capped one says "Watermans" on the clip. The black one is a familiar Waterman's shape but I see that it had the early clip (two rivets). I am always trying to buy these pens cheapish, because I have found that one has a fair chance of finding a better-than-half-decent nib on them. In fact two Canadians, one a Junior are supposed to arrive tomorrow, clipless but I have hopes for the nibs.

But I think that these - perhaps not the metal capped one - might be a bit special. [EDIT] I bought the three for $78 - with free postage to the UK...

Thanks again for the information.

Best wishes

Cob

pajaro
July 20th, 2014, 07:35 PM
I think the Lady Patricia was worth more than what you paid.

six3oo
July 21st, 2014, 04:19 AM
The middle one is likely a 1930s Waterman 3 with a missing clip, and (I'm not so sure on this one) the left one could be a 1940-50s Waterman Taperite. Great find!

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 04:35 AM
The middle one is likely a 1930s Waterman 3 with a missing clip, and (I'm not so sure on this one) the left one could be a 1940-50s Waterman Taperite. Great find!

How could I not add a "thanks" for such an encouraging post!
Is the Taperite something a bit special then? I had half-guessed the centre one as I recognised the shape and we have already established that the Lady Patricia is good news.

Apologies for all the questions, but I'm very new to Waterman's, Mabie Todd being my "thing"!

Thanks again

Best wishes
Cob

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 05:19 AM
Hullo again,

Sorry, but I have another ID question: I know that the red pen is a junior; could anyone tell me anything about the black one? Apparently they are both Canadian ones.
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Thanks in advance

Cob

RuiFromUK
July 21st, 2014, 05:30 AM
Hi Cob,

You are definitely on a roll when it comes to pen buying at the moment.

As you can imagine I am one of the very few around here who has no idea about Waterman pens but all I can say is that I do like the colour of the red / borwnish one you just posted. Well done on finding this pen.

Regards,

Rui

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 05:43 AM
Hi Cob,

You are definitely on a roll when it comes to pen buying at the moment.

As you can imagine I am one of the very few around here who has no idea about Waterman pens but all I can say is that I do like the colour of the red / borwnish one you just posted. Well done on finding this pen.

Regards,

Rui

Thanks Rui, that is if the bloody things arrive: the seller posted them ordinary 2nd Class - which I think is a disgrace - all my items go out signed-for. They were posted (he says]) on 15th July, so they should have arrived by now...

Best wishes

Cob

gregamckinney
July 21st, 2014, 10:11 AM
The black pen looks like a 92. There may be a 92 imprint on the bottom of the barrel.
The double barrel band on the 92's is typically only seen on Canadian Waterman pens (and maybe English ones too?)
However, I think the cap is wrong/ from a different pen.
Regards, greg

sloegin
July 21st, 2014, 10:17 AM
Taperite isn't special, but I don't think that is a taperite. The black pen in the second picture is most likely some variety of a 92, but the cap is wrong as the cap band should match the rings on the body of the pen.

Edit: Greg posted while i was typing!

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 10:57 AM
The black pen looks like a 92. There may be a 92 imprint on the bottom of the barrel.
The double barrel band on the 92's is typically only seen on Canadian Waterman pens (and maybe English ones too?)
However, I think the cap is wrong/ from a different pen.
Regards, greg

Thanks very much; I am sure that I am not the only pen buyer who has experienced a cap problem! A pity of course, as the pen looks attractive. Is a 92 any good or is 1t just a fancy 32?

Anyway they were cheap enough and really I bought them for the nibs. The news about the Lady Patricia compensates for any other minor ennuis!

Best wishes

Cob

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 10:59 AM
Taperite isn't special, but I don't think that is a taperite. The black pen in the second picture is most likely some variety of a 92, but the cap is wrong as the cap band should match the rings on the body of the pen.

Edit: Greg posted while i was typing!

Thank you very much anyway. So I wonder if the metal capped one is any good; just impatience and curiosity you understand! They will probably take weeks to arrive!

Best wishes

Cob

Deb
July 21st, 2014, 11:18 AM
I'm not sure what the red one is but I don't think it's a Taperite. The black one is probably one of those no-name no-number English (or Canadian) prewar pens that have a 94-ish look about them. They usually have 2-A nibs and are generally decent writers.

Cob
July 21st, 2014, 11:39 AM
I'm not sure what the red one is but I don't think it's a Taperite. The black one is probably one of those no-name no-number English (or Canadian) prewar pens that have a 94-ish look about them. They usually have 2-A nibs and are generally decent writers.

Thanks for that, Deb. Apart from the terrible photo, all I know (apart from what the experts here have told me) is that they are coming from the USA!

Regards

Cob

Cob
July 22nd, 2014, 05:52 AM
Hi Cob,

You are definitely on a roll when it comes to pen buying at the moment.

As you can imagine I am one of the very few around here who has no idea about Waterman pens but all I can say is that I do like the colour of the red / borwnish one you just posted. Well done on finding this pen.

Regards,

Rui

Rui,

The pens arrived this morning; they both have glorious nibs (hurrah) but the one you liked is extraordinary: it is a BB at least and as flexible as boiled spaghetti - but snaps back really nicely.

I have been lucky.

I'm busy now but I'll post a writing sample later.

The black one has a chip on the bottom which has obliterated nearly all the number - I can just make out the remains of a 2 (I think).
Best wishes

Cob

RuiFromUK
July 22nd, 2014, 07:03 AM
Hi Cob,

You are definitely on a roll when it comes to pen buying at the moment.

As you can imagine I am one of the very few around here who has no idea about Waterman pens but all I can say is that I do like the colour of the red / borwnish one you just posted. Well done on finding this pen.

Regards,

Rui

Rui,

The pens arrived this morning; they both have glorious nibs (hurrah) but the one you liked is extraordinary: it is a BB at least and as flexible as boiled spaghetti - but snaps back really nicely.

I have been lucky.

I'm busy now but I'll post a writing sample later.

The black one has a chip on the bottom which has obliterated nearly all the number - I can just make out the remains of a 2 (I think).
Best wishes

Cob

Hi Cob,

Great to hear that you got good stuff in this lot.

Yes that pen did look like a beauty to me.

Rui

Cob
July 22nd, 2014, 03:07 PM
Hi Cob,

You are definitely on a roll when it comes to pen buying at the moment.

As you can imagine I am one of the very few around here who has no idea about Waterman pens but all I can say is that I do like the colour of the red / borwnish one you just posted. Well done on finding this pen.

Regards,

Rui

Rui,

The pens arrived this morning; they both have glorious nibs (hurrah) but the one you liked is extraordinary: it is a BB at least and as flexible as boiled spaghetti - but snaps back really nicely.

I have been lucky.

I'm busy now but I'll post a writing sample later.

The black one has a chip on the bottom which has obliterated nearly all the number - I can just make out the remains of a 2 (I think).
Best wishes

Cob

Hi Cob,

Great to hear that you got good stuff in this lot.

Yes that pen did look like a beauty to me.

Rui

Hello again. Just about to get going and put sacs into them and give them a bit of a clean up which they desperately need.

Bus was 3/4 hour late so it's another late night hereabouts.

Rgds,

Cob

Cob
July 22nd, 2014, 04:40 PM
Here's another of my lousy photographs; it shows a writing sample from the black Waterman's that arrived this morning.

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It would seem that it is a 92 with an incorrect cap (from a 32?); the pen has damage on the end of the barrel which has removed the number, and there is a small gouge in the barrel also. Tragically then, this pretty pen is hardly worth preserving, except that it is nice to use, and the nib is great - well I think so. I could try to fill the damage with celluloid and I suppose I could try to find a cap in the USA and pay $40 - odd, plus $900 postage and customs charges...!

The other one apart from the clip is fine and unmarked; I'll post something about that when the shellac has set!

Best wishes,

Cob

Cob
July 22nd, 2014, 05:50 PM
Here's Junior! (Another crap photo and slack handwriting too!)

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Junior might be yet another keeper (groan).

Cob

Scrawler
July 24th, 2014, 08:00 PM
Hullo all.

I've just bought three tatty ones and am hoping that you experts can identify them. The picture is appalling for which I apologise - but I didn't make it!

12909

Thanks in advance,

Cob
If you have no use for the one at the far right I would be happy to take it off your hands, and clean it up and use it.

(You know I am kidding. That is rather valuable Lady Patricia)

Cob
July 25th, 2014, 02:40 AM
Hullo all.

I've just bought three tatty ones and am hoping that you experts can identify them. The picture is appalling for which I apologise - but I didn't make it!

12909

Thanks in advance,

Cob
If you have no use for the one at the far right I would be happy to take it off your hands, and clean it up and use it.

(You know I am kidding. That is rather valuable Lady Patricia)

I'll think about it
:rofl:

Cob
August 11th, 2014, 11:36 AM
Hullo,

These pens FINALLY arrived - the bloke took ten days just to post them!

Anyway, the metal-capped one is junk, the black clipless one is a 22; it had a glorious flexible nib which is now in one of my 52s.

Of course we identified the last one and here are a couple of snaps - note the crack in the back of the cap. Nice nib though, fine and responsive.

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Rgds

Cob

Chrissy
November 17th, 2014, 03:38 AM
I really like the Betjeman quotes. :)