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JFK... your theories?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and alternative theories to the official line on the assassination of JFK won't go away for a long time yet...
personally, i'm inclined to ascribe to the 'does a {Russian} bear shit in the woods, and wipe his arse with a fucking white rabbit (LHO)?' theory.
But truth of the matter is, equally JFK could have ordered the whole thing be staged as a Democrat psyops to help further the continuing enslaverance of the capitalist feudal masses... or something similar. I actually 'like' the theory Jacqueline Kennedy fired the fatal shot.
What y'all think?
http://www.knowledgeoftoday.org/2011...nnedy.html?m=1
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-sco...eech-recreated
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Wasn’t he taken out by the aliens because he went rogue and initiated space exploration? After all they did make first contact and there was an agreement banning manned flight to other planets.
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My personal theory is that he was shot
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My personal theory is that he was shot
True... but not as funny as Farmboy's answer. A good chuckle a day is very important to keep ones sanity.
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My personal theory is that he was shot
The shooting was staged but poorly executed, even so the alien medics were able to revive him long enough for questioning and a trial where he was found guilty of conspiring to “interplanetary colonization”.
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I'm still mystified why they never outfitted those open convertibles with a manual roll-up shield. Just reach back, grab a handle and pull to raise up a bullet resistant cover that extends just under the roof line of the rear seat. The handle would be exposed such that an occupant or security detail running along side could lift it up in a matter of 2 seconds. At least that could have prevented the 2nd shot from hitting JFK.
Even more mystifying to me was the lack of security detail around RFK. Once the precedent of a US president shot in the 20th century, you'd figure that given the same family blood line that RFK would've been so well protected. So many videos show how exposed he was throughout his campaign... could've been shot at easily almost on every visit. For me, his loss was even worse than JFK. Robert was so much more of a humanitarian. He'd have been very likely an even more profound president than his brother.
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I'm still mystified why they never outfitted those open convertibles with a manual roll-up shield. Just reach back, grab a handle and pull to raise up a bullet resistant cover that extends just under the roof line of the rear seat. The handle would be exposed such that an occupant or security detail running along side could lift it up in a matter of 2 seconds. At least that could have prevented the 2nd shot from hitting JFK.
So, on this particular occasion Mr. JFK was particularly unlucky; there was rain in the days preceding and rain on the morning of the procession, however, the weather cleared to a 'nice' day, and the limousine was not outfitted with the 'bubble' which would have probably saved his life. JFK allegedly waived his security detail...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4302/3...b824a20c_b.jpg
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Anyone alive back then? What was the feeling of seeing a USA president assassinated on TV? I can’t imagine that happening now. The amount of shitstorm that caused must have been insane.
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I remember a few years after the shooting I drove into Dallas and was a bit lost. I pulled over and asked a Dallas Police officer how to get somewhere. At this point in life I cannot remember where I wanted to go but I was asking directions and was in downtown Dallas. The officer answered "Go by where Kennedy got it and bear right" I was stunned and will never forget that remark.
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Everyone on this thread seems to think that Kennedy's assassination was a big joke. Par for the course, I suppose, for a society that's become increasingly callous and desensitized to everything other than its own comfort zone.
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It was not a joke by any means. What has become a joke are the volume of wild and fantastical theories.
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Kennedy probably had dirt on the Clinton's, so they had him killed. Knowing Bill and then Hillary's plans to run for election in the future the investigation has been sealed and classified. Once Bill and Hillary are dead I'm sure we'll all know what happened.
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Kennedy probably had dirt on the Clinton's, so they had him killed. Knowing Bill and then Hillary's plans to run for election in the future the investigation has been sealed and classified. Once Bill and Hillary are dead I'm sure we'll all know what happened.
I just want to go on record and state that neither Bill nor Hillary are aliens though it is commonly assumed at least one of them is. I can’t comment on the rumors of abduction involving the Clintons but I think the answer to that is obvious.
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Anyone alive back then? What was the feeling of seeing a USA president assassinated on TV? I can’t imagine that happening now. The amount of shitstorm that caused must have been insane.
Quite a few of us were alive back then and most at work. But you need to put the period in context.
First, the cavalcade was not on live TV except maybe on local Dallas stations. It was a relatively un-newsworthy event of local interest only.
And it was only one of a whole string of "shitstorm events" over a two decade or so period. There were assassinations and attempted assassinations of most of the leaders of the Labor and Integration and anti-war political figures; Malcom X, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, George Lincoln Rockwell (how many folk remember there was an American Nazi Party at the time), Fred Hampton (shot while in bed by the Chicago police), a time when police regularly turned fire hoses and dogs and beatings and clubbing on US citizens, when lynchings still happened and even if tried the perpetrators were found not guilty, when the National Guard opened fire on students on a college campus.
It was a time when whole cities were burning, when a mayor ordered a row house occupied by civil rights protestors fire bombed, when domestic terrorist groups were planting bombs in banks and McDonalds and malls.
It was a time when we had just sat on the edge of total nuclear war between the US and the Soviet Union; literally wondering if we would get the news first on TV or the flash in the window.
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I'm still mystified why they never outfitted those open convertibles with a manual roll-up shield. Just reach back, grab a handle and pull to raise up a bullet resistant cover that extends just under the roof line of the rear seat. The handle would be exposed such that an occupant or security detail running along side could lift it up in a matter of 2 seconds. At least that could have prevented the 2nd shot from hitting JFK.
So, on this particular occasion Mr. JFK was particularly unlucky; there was rain in the days preceding and rain on the morning of the procession, however, the weather cleared to a 'nice' day, and the limousine was not outfitted with the 'bubble' which would have probably saved his life. JFK allegedly waived his security detail...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4302/3...b824a20c_b.jpg
Just an interesting historical fact; the rear doors on that car were commonly called "suicide doors" since the rear mount hinge meant wind pressure could open a partially closed door at speed. Also, that "Bubble Top" was not bullet proof and simply designed for increased display during rain or other weather related issues.
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I reckon the assassination was a conspiracy of 2. One got away and he got the shot in. When you can't solve stuff, for osme people 'obviously' a cast of thousands was involved to 'cover it up'.
Kennedy was martyred by his untimely death. If he'd have lived, people would have actually seen beyond hagiography, and that he was as reckless and corrupt as most politicians, and dropped his pants at any opportunity. But back then, he had people around to make sure the media didn't get that dirt.
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I'm still mystified why they never outfitted those open convertibles with a manual roll-up shield. Just reach back, grab a handle and pull to raise up a bullet resistant cover that extends just under the roof line of the rear seat. The handle would be exposed such that an occupant or security detail running along side could lift it up in a matter of 2 seconds. At least that could have prevented the 2nd shot from hitting JFK.
Even more mystifying to me was the lack of security detail around RFK. Once the precedent of a US president shot in the 20th century, you'd figure that given the same family blood line that RFK would've been so well protected. So many videos show how exposed he was throughout his campaign... could've been shot at easily almost on every visit. For me, his loss was even worse than JFK. Robert was so much more of a humanitarian. He'd have been very likely an even more profound president than his brother.
Before Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, candidates for president were not entitled to Secret Service protection. When he came to Indiana in May of 1968, everyone was able to get very close. No need for a long lens.
In his excellent book of photos of the RFK campaign, A Time It Was, by Bill Eppridge - who took the photo of the bus boy holding RFK's hand - relates that then-Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty refused to provide a protection detail, and LAPD issued over 150 traffic violations to the motorcades.
RFK's personal bodyguard wanted him to leave through the ballroom, but Bobby insisted on going through the kitchen again.
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A couple of books about JFK's assassination have wondered if he knew he was about to fall, and tempted fate by riding in an open car in a city where he was not well loved.
But he did have a humanitarian side ... http://www.downtownalberni.com/news/...power-of-a-pen
Hat tip to former Montblanc North America CEO Jan-Patrick Schmitz for sharing the Berlin story in a video he made for Montblanc.
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Anyone alive back then? What was the feeling of seeing a USA president assassinated on TV? I can’t imagine that happening now. The amount of shitstorm that caused must have been insane.
Quite a few of us were alive back then and most at work. But you need to put the period in context.
First, the cavalcade was not on live TV except maybe on local Dallas stations. It was a relatively un-newsworthy event of local interest only.
And it was only one of a whole string of "shitstorm events" over a two decade or so period. There were assassinations and attempted assassinations of most of the leaders of the Labor and Integration and anti-war political figures; Malcom X, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, George Lincoln Rockwell (how many folk remember there was an American Nazi Party at the time), Fred Hampton (shot while in bed by the Chicago police), a time when police regularly turned fire hoses and dogs and beatings and clubbing on US citizens, when lynchings still happened and even if tried the perpetrators were found not guilty, when the National Guard opened fire on students on a college campus.
It was a time when whole cities were burning, when a mayor ordered a row house occupied by civil rights protestors fire bombed, when domestic terrorist groups were planting bombs in banks and McDonalds and malls.
It was a time when we had just sat on the edge of total nuclear war between the US and the Soviet Union; literally wondering if we would get the news first on TV or the flash in the window.
Fine, let's put the event in context. The fuller context is that at the time RFK had not yet been killed, MLK had not yet been killed, Rockwell had not yet been killed, Malcom X had not yet been killed... in fact Medgar Evers was the only one on the list who died prior to Kennedy, and until he made headlines by his death he was a relatively obscure figure. Kennedy's assassination was not yet one more in a mind-numbing succession of similar events; he kicked off the shitstorm. It was completely unexpected, and was like a kick in the stomach to the entire nation. It was a national trauma.
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Anyone alive back then? What was the feeling of seeing a USA president assassinated on TV? I can’t imagine that happening now. The amount of shitstorm that caused must have been insane.
"It was a time ... when domestic terrorist groups were planting bombs in banks and McDonalds and malls."
Fine, let's put the event in context. The fuller context is that at the time RFK had not yet been killed, MLK had not yet been killed, Rockwell had not yet been killed, Malcom X had not yet been killed... in fact Medgar Evers was the only one on the list who died prior to Kennedy, and until he made headlines by his death he was a relatively obscure figure. Kennedy's assassination was not yet one more in a mind-numbing succession of similar events; he kicked off the shitstorm. It was completely unexpected, and was like a kick in the stomach to the entire nation. It was a national trauma.
Yes... and the 'Weather Underground' didn't exist before 1969, the Black Panther Party not even until 1966.
There were a couple of bombings of 'black' churches in 1963, though...
So, maybe a Klan connection to JFK's death?
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I've always thought it was related to his issuing "US Notes" instead of Federal Reserve Notes. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the US would save billions (today trillions) by printing its own fiat currency out of thin air rather than authorizing a private bank to do it and then lend it to us at interest. I'm thinking the banksters weren't very happy about him sussing out their scam and starting to do something about it.
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This is a 1963 $5 United States Note. Notice it says United States Note at the top, not Federal Reserve Note. This is what I think got JFK whacked.
https://i.imgur.com/2CqXPuu.jpg
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Oh, yes... the famous 'red seal' notes;
apparently those from 1928 can be worth a 'bit' more than those from '53 or '63, though a '63 note with an asterisk in the serial number may be worth double the face value if in mint condition.
The treasury was obliged to redeem the red notes for gold until 1933, and for silver until 1968.
But as can be seen, JFK's administration wasn't the first to issue 'US' notes and was it his idea?
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Oh, yes... the famous 'red seal' notes;
apparently those from 1928 can be worth a 'bit' more than those from '53 or '63, though a '63 note with an asterisk in the serial number may be worth double the face value if in mint condition.
The treasury was obliged to redeem the red notes for gold until 1933, and for silver until 1968.
But as can be seen, JFK's administration wasn't the first to issue 'US' notes and was it his idea?
No, it wasn't his idea, but the United States Notes were being phased out, and represented a very small proportion of the currency then in circulation. In 1963 United States Notes were still redeemable in silver, and didn't become fiat currency ("let it be money," and it was money) until 1968. However, they'd stopped printing new US Notes by then (1966 was the last year any were printed). Eventually they were all destroyed. What I read somewhere, and it may have been all wrong — I'd need to research it, and more carefully than by doing it online — but in any event, what I'd been led to believe was that he wanted to make the United States Notes fiat currency back in '63, and replace the Federal Reserve Note with it. Again, that may be misinformation, but if true would provide a compelling motive for assassination.
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ok... so what would the difference have been if he had managed to make the dollar fiat and used the US notes, then?
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Anyone alive back then? What was the feeling of seeing a USA president assassinated on TV? I can’t imagine that happening now. The amount of shitstorm that caused must have been insane.
"It was a time ... when domestic terrorist groups were planting bombs in banks and McDonalds and malls."
Fine, let's put the event in context. The fuller context is that at the time RFK had not yet been killed, MLK had not yet been killed, Rockwell had not yet been killed, Malcom X had not yet been killed... in fact Medgar Evers was the only one on the list who died prior to Kennedy, and until he made headlines by his death he was a relatively obscure figure. Kennedy's assassination was not yet one more in a mind-numbing succession of similar events; he kicked off the shitstorm. It was completely unexpected, and was like a kick in the stomach to the entire nation. It was a national trauma.
Yes... and the 'Weather Underground' didn't exist before 1969, the Black Panther Party not even until 1966.
There were a couple of bombings of 'black' churches in 1963, though...
So, maybe a Klan connection to JFK's death?
But the US has had a long, long history of assassinating politicians going back to at least 1815.
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ok... so what would the difference have been if he had managed to make the dollar fiat and used the US notes, then?
The Federal Reserve is a private bank. Despite its name, it is not part of the federal government, much as Federal Express is not part of the federal government. When the banking families who own the Fed bought, obtained by blackmail, and/or otherwise managed to wangle the necessary votes to get the Federal Reserve Act passed in 1913, they scored big time. From that day on, they've had the power to create money out of thin air and lend it to other banks and to the US federal government at interest. That's where dollars come from. If United States Notes were ever to replace Federal Reserve Notes, those banking families would lose billions, maybe trillions of dollars. It would be good for the US government, saving its taxpayers vast sums of money, and it would be the end of the gravy train for the banksters. That's what the difference would have been.
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I don't think that anyone on this thread would disagree with that.
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ok... so what would the difference have been if he had managed to make the dollar fiat and used the US notes, then?
The Federal Reserve is a private bank. Despite its name, it is not part of the federal government, much as Federal Express is not part of the federal government. When the banking families who own the Fed bought, obtained by blackmail, and/or otherwise managed to wangle the necessary votes to get the Federal Reserve Act passed in 1913, they scored big time. From that day on, they've had the power to create money out of thin air and lend it to other banks and to the US federal government at interest. That's where dollars come from. If United States Notes were ever to replace Federal Reserve Notes, those banking families would lose billions, maybe trillions of dollars. It would be good for the US government, saving its taxpayers vast sums of money, and it would be the end of the gravy train for the banksters. That's what the difference would have been.
And noone lobbys for this on the regular? Seems like the NRA and the 2A is just a big diversion!
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And noone lobbys for this on the regular? Seems like the NRA and the 2A is just a big diversion!
People do. They're ridiculed as "conspiracy theorists," vilified and ignored. Most people don't understand the game, and believe the Fed to be part of the government. And of course, finance is so "boring."
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We seem to have drifted away from the fact we violated an intergalactic treaty.
The aliens don’t care about our monitory system. They take what they want.
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We seem to have drifted away from the fact we violated an intergalactic treaty.
The aliens don’t care about our monitory system. They take what they want.
[PULLING EVERYONE'S LEG]It's all related. The aliens are in league with the Bavarian Illuminati, who control everything. For example, everybody knows that ERII is a reptilian.[/PULLING EVERYONE'S LEG]
http://www.lovingenergies.net/gfile/...rth1000com.jpg
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And noone lobbys for this on the regular? Seems like the NRA and the 2A is just a big diversion!
People do. They're ridiculed as "conspiracy theorists," vilified and ignored. Most people don't understand the game, and believe the Fed to be part of the government. And of course, finance is so "boring."
'BBC Radio 4' (part of our state sponsored [/tax payer funded] propaganda apparatus... can you believe we used to have to pay for a radio licence?! Hitler gave the radios away for free!!) is currently running a feature on how the UK public are not capable of understanding politics due to their ignorance of economics... i'd be tempted to retort that economics doesn't understand politics, think about all the Jews who lent money to Kings in the middle ages only to get deported or worse before their loans were repaid.
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And noone lobbys for this on the regular? Seems like the NRA and the 2A is just a big diversion!
People do. They're ridiculed as "conspiracy theorists," vilified and ignored. Most people don't understand the game, and believe the Fed to be part of the government. And of course, finance is so "boring."
'BBC Radio 4' (part of our
state sponsored [/tax payer funded]
propaganda apparatus... can you believe we used to have to pay for a radio licence?! Hitler gave the radios away for free!!) is currently running a feature on how the UK public are not capable of understanding politics due to their ignorance of economics... i'd be tempted to retort that economics doesn't understand politics, think about all the Jews who lent money to Kings in the middle ages only to get deported or worse before their loans were repaid.
I remember when people in the UK had to pay for a license just to own a radio. It always struck me as outrageous. I didn't know they'd finally stopped doing it (it's been a while since I've been to England); I thought the UK only added more and more taxes ad infinitum. I was also appalled when I first learned about the VAT, which unfortunately is still alive and well.
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I remember when people in the UK had to pay for a license just to own a radio. It always struck me as outrageous. I didn't know they'd finally stopped doing it (it's been a while since I've been to England); I thought the UK only added more and more taxes ad infinitum. I was also appalled when I first learned about the VAT, which unfortunately is still alive and well.
I believe there are some who still pay the TV licence; my household is currently exempt, but i doubt i will ever pay it - i simply don't watch 'TV', like the majority of mass media it's so patronisingly low brow!
The level of VAT is ridiculous, so is the basic level of income tax and the fact that IT doesn't go up high enough for the highest earners... then there are the taxes on alcohol and fuel, and ... you're right, too much tax - i blame religion and the royal family, really i do.
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I remember when people in the UK had to pay for a license just to own a radio. It always struck me as outrageous. I didn't know they'd finally stopped doing it (it's been a while since I've been to England); I thought the UK only added more and more taxes ad infinitum. I was also appalled when I first learned about the VAT, which unfortunately is still alive and well.
I believe there are some who still pay the TV licence; my household is currently exempt, but i doubt i will ever pay it - i simply don't watch 'TV', like the majority of mass media it's so patronisingly low brow!
The level of VAT is ridiculous, so is the basic level of income tax and the fact that IT doesn't go up high enough for the highest earners... then there are the taxes on alcohol and fuel, and ... you're right, too much tax - i blame religion and the royal family, really i do.
I consider television a waste of time myself.
As for whose fault high taxes are, in the US there are many who blame everything they don't like on the Republicans, although it's always the Democrats (liberals) who favor higher taxes, while conservatives try to cut them. I imagine it's much the same in the UK. One thing we don't have to contend with here in the US is a royal family, however.
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The first time I saw a television was when they brought one into our classroom to watch Mr. Kennedy speaking in Berlin.
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I'm thinking about getting this book -
"Kennedy and Oswald, The Big Picture"
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Here's an interesting blog page about the primary author of this book, which does indeed look interesting.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010...-in-exile.html