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May I also suggest?:
Don't apply to a pif if you have no intention of responding to the person who offers it, in case you win. Or, if you want to withdraw from it, have the courtesy of saying it.
Thank you.
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6) The Classified is not a discussion forum: Please do not crap in the seller's thread with negative comments such as "your price is too high," "your item is in bad condition," etc.*
Fred
*Courtesy of the advrider.com forum's Flea Market rules.
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Momma reads what you write.
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“That which is hateful to you, do not unto another: This is the whole Torah. The rest is commentary — go study.”
What Rabbi Hillel said to someone who told him he would convert to Judaism if Hillel could teach him Judaism while he was standing on one foot. I think someone said that in another religion or two, too. ;)
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Can't pin it, but we can bump it.
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I am in favour of all that has said so far, could not agree more.
But given the principle that there is no moderation/admin what do you do about the people who do not follow the rules.
Do you want the Land of Smiles that exists at FPN or freedom of expression even if that breaks the most reasonable of rules.
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I am in favour of all that has said so far, could not agree more.
But given the principle that there is no moderation/admin what do you do about the people who do not follow the rules.
Do you want the Land of Smiles that exists at FPN or freedom of expression even if that breaks the most reasonable of rules.
You present a false dichotomy. It is not a limited set.
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Fermata
I am in favour of all that has said so far, could not agree more.
But given the principle that there is no moderation/admin what do you do about the people who do not follow the rules.
Do you want the Land of Smiles that exists at FPN or freedom of expression even if that breaks the most reasonable of rules.
You present a false dichotomy. It is not a limited set.
Being a brain dead dick I had to look up false dichotomy and got the answer 'not jointly exhaustive'. Very little the wiser.
If you have rules which you would like people to follow, and they do not, are you suggesting that this is therefore acceptable or that there does not need to be a procedure for requiring posters to abide by a given set of rules. I am not backing one direction or another here, I basically dont understand your reference to false dichotomy.
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Fermata
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jar
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Fermata
I am in favour of all that has said so far, could not agree more.
But given the principle that there is no moderation/admin what do you do about the people who do not follow the rules.
Do you want the Land of Smiles that exists at FPN or freedom of expression even if that breaks the most reasonable of rules.
You present a false dichotomy. It is not a limited set.
Being a brain dead dick I had to look up false dichotomy and got the answer 'not jointly exhaustive'. Very little the wiser.
If you have rules which you would like people to follow, and they do not, are you suggesting that this is therefore acceptable or that there does not need to be a procedure for requiring posters to abide by a given set of rules. I am not backing one direction or another here, I basically dont understand your reference to false dichotomy.
There can be a whole range of responses to most any action and not just the two choices you presented. Some rules can be enforced individually (simply ignoring anything posted by a given individual) or peer pressure such as publicly humiliating an individual or as I said, a whole range of behaviors. Rules are nice but so are reasonable exceptions to those rules.
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Ok, thank you.
Being more labrador than human I live in a world where if you screw up you get your arse kicked, and thats all there is to it. If you are told that X is going to happen if you break the rules then you know where you are, introducing options and variables (such as humiliation, ridicule or shame) is outside my terms of reference and may not work for the dipstick trolls that FPG may attract from time to time, they may just love the attention.
Appreciate the explanation though.
I will butt out.
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Pardon the levity, but my favorite example of a false dichotomy is the phrase, "There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't."
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Has anyone recently tried rousing the forum owners? I wasn't around when things broke down but it seems like it's been a few years; maybe they're ready to reconnect.
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Has anyone recently tried rousing the forum owners? I wasn't around when things broke down but it seems like it's been a few years; maybe they're ready to reconnect.
Yes, on numerous occasions, sometimes with a bit of urgency. There has never been an indication of any interest whatsoever. From what anyone can detect, he pays the hosting bills and has otherwise moved on with his life. If there is any remaining involvement, it is in the background and completely opaque to the membership, and we have seen no signs of life. One of the oddest online situations I've come across.
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Yes, on numerous occasions, sometimes with a bit of urgency. There has never been an indication of any interest whatsoever. From what anyone can detect, he pays the hosting bills and has otherwise moved on with his life. If there is any remaining involvement, it is in the background and completely opaque to the membership, and we have seen no signs of life. One of the oddest online situations I've come across.
That is really strange. I can appreciate moving on to other endeavors but it's bizarre that he keeps paying the bills with no other involvement. Maybe the hosting bills are on Autopay and he doesn't realize he's still paying.
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That is really strange. I can appreciate moving on to other endeavors but it's bizarre that he keeps paying the bills with no other involvement. Maybe the hosting bills are on Autopay and he doesn't realize he's still paying.
He's a smart man who is fairly well-known in the pen world, and one has to believe this is how he rolls. I've never quite understood it, myself, but...
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If there is any remaining involvement, it is in the background
A troll got banished recently, if you recall. I certainly appreciate that when it happens. That's all I've got, though.
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If there is any remaining involvement, it is in the background
A troll got banished recently, if you recall. I certainly appreciate that when it happens. That's all I've got, though.
Yes, Mike, that is true. I think there have been a few items taken care of, so he *does* somewhat keep tabs. I just wish it was an active and public involvement, so we all didn't feel like we were swimming in circles and confusion. Ah well...
Thanks (and I had another similar mention to me, as well).
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It was said long ago that the owner runs his own internet hosting company, so, it stands to reason this forum is probably located on one of his own servers. I've had snail mail contact with him within the last couple of months but the subject has not come up. I was not active on this forum when everything went south so I have no knowledge of what happened other than Dan was removed from all administrative duties.
Back on subject, having these rules would be nice and I agree with them but they are moot if they cannot be enforced. I've thought about volunteering to help with duties as I have run and configured a few forums (video game based). It's been a while and I would have to brush up on things. It just seems self serving to me and I've not brought it up for that reason.
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All things considered, this forum has done quite well without moderation. Peer pressure just takes longer to bring about change in behavior. I've also warmed to and gained respect towards every fellow member (except one) whose conduct I've found offensive at one time or another. Had a moderator stepped in with swift reaction, those occasional miscreants might have been lost to me. In some respects, this lack of moderation is an experiment in patience, toleration and acceptance.
Fred