A new blue pigment has been discovered and is commerically available. YInMn Blue is $180/oz - which should give premium ink makers something to get excited about...
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A new blue pigment has been discovered and is commerically available. YInMn Blue is $180/oz - which should give premium ink makers something to get excited about...
Wow, I'm sure Nathan will be soon create a new Noodler's ink :)
My money is on MB, with a LE "exclusive" $700 bottle of YinMontblanc. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazeh
My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMy money is on MB, with a LE "exclusive" $700 bottle of YinMontblanc. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazeh
I hope someone does though. If successful, it looks like it would give Baystate Blue a run for the money.
MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
No, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteAs far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
Not to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterNo, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteAs far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
They do have something called Elixir Calligraphy Black that is pigmented and they have a disclaimer stating: "it is important to clean the fountain pen with lukewarm water after every use of permanent ink to keep it in perfect condition." If their permanent inks were also pigmented, I would think a similar warning would apply.
I am surprised that they offer the Elixir Calligraphy ink and have a shred of hope they might just do the blue too.
The only other archival/permanent inks (that I am aware of) are pigment-based. I don't think dye-based inks can cut it in that field. I'm happy to be proven wrong, naturally. I have been looking at this for a while and MB is not exactly forthcoming about their inks, so it is all conjecture, but based on what the competition does (R&K, Sailor, Platinum, for example), pigments seem to be the standard for archival inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteNot to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterNo, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteAs far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
We'll never know for sure with MB, as you point out their lack of clarity regarding ink formulation. But that blue in your original post would be a spectacular ink color.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterThe only other archival/permanent inks (that I am aware of) are pigment-based. I don't think dye-based inks can cut it in that field. I'm happy to be proven wrong, naturally. I have been looking at this for a while and MB is not exactly forthcoming about their inks, so it is all conjecture, but based on what the competition does (R&K, Sailor, Platinum, for example), pigments seem to be the standard for archival inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteNot to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterNo, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E CoyoteAs far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifterMB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote
Sailor pigment inks are my favorite pigment inks.
I see in your sig that you're a fan of IG. Have you tried Platinum's classic inks? I currently have the Cassis in a stub Lamy 2000 and really like the color once it changes.
I don't have any R&K.
I'm a recent convert to Seiboku. Absolutely love it. It is currently in my L2K <MCI>.
The only Platinum IG (other than their excellent Blue Black) that I have tried is the Khaki. It's not that I didn't like it, its just that my colour palette is very boring: I like Blues, Blue Blacks, Blacks, and not much else. :)
Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.Quote:
...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
It also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know. :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by dneal
Doh!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos.qIt also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know. :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by dneal
I’ve only used the cartridges. Thanks for the heads up!
Maybe you have done/consider this, but if you unscrew the Pelikan nib unit, can't you get the residue out of the ink window either by flushing or a tool that won't scratch the ink window or leave fibers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos.qIt also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know. :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by dneal
Unless you meant that the residue actually stains the ink window.
No, not staining. It's a residue that can be removed. I got most of it out with a Qtip... but not all. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by penwashMaybe you have done/consider this, but if you unscrew the Pelikan nib unit, can't you get the residue out of the ink window either by flushing or a tool that won't scratch the ink window or leave fibers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos.qIt also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know. :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by dneal
Unless you meant that the residue actually stains the ink window.
I received this information about YinMn Blue today from Jackson's Art
I was given to understand that most of the Noodler's Inks Nathan Tardif lists as archival are dye-based. Noodler's Black, #41 Brown, 54th Massachusetts to name a few. Or did you mean Montblanc inks?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlifter
I was referring to MB. I was also referring to archival inks, ie., those with an ISO certification, not inks arbitrarily designated as archival by their maker with no basis.