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Thank-you for the lovely review Yazeh! Noodler's Ottoman Rose is Nathan's interpretation of the long lost ink known as Sheaffer's Persian Rose, a color no one really has a good idea of since the few surviving samples have changed color over the decades.
I wrote a rambling post about it back in November 2018, trying to find a way to recreate the color when I still had access to a full analytical laboratory.
https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...r-Persian-Rose
(Sorry for the tangent.) Now back to the original thread!
All the Best.
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Thanks a lot for the detailed link, I enjoyed reading about it. :thumb:
It's confusing, Shah's and Ottoman's Rose. Unusual choice to use two rivals. After all Pesian's and Ottoman's were rival for centuries... if not millennia (if we consider the Byzantine)
I didn't post Ottoman Rose's chroma. I can, if you're interested, but it's just pink....so I didn't bother...
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Thanks a lot for the detailed link, I enjoyed reading about it. :thumb:
It's confusing, Shah's and Ottoman's Rose. Unusual choice to use two rivals. After all Pesian's and Ottoman's were rival for centuries... if not millennia (if we consider the Byzantine)
I didn't post Ottoman Rose's chroma. I can, if you're interested, but it's just pink....so I didn't bother...
Maybe that may be the actual reason FOR choosing those two names?...
The rivalry between the two camps who insist that THEIR bottle/memory of Skrip Persian rose looked like A!(Ottoman rose) or the camp who insisted that camp A was wrong, and that in fact, Persian rose looked like B!(shah's rose)
Nathan having a bottle/sample of both, replicated both and then named them in a funny way?... he DOES enjoy his names having significance :)
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Since the Sheaffer's Perian Rose ink has come up in the conversation, here are a couple of images. I believe JJ's thread referenced above was earlier than my 3rd image, which was done for a 30 inks in 30 days project. I made it to Day #11, I think. Typical...
https://i.imgur.com/ksSc4WI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4x6uCkJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kyYLN0Eh.jpg
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Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.
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Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.
Thank you, Jim, that is kind of you. I should have mentioned that in the last photo, the background is an image of Persian roses in the gardens of the Shah Abbas Mosque in Isfahan, Iran.
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Noodler’s Ottoman Rose
This is one the earliest inks I bought.
Yazeh, thank you for a lovely post, filled with information and delightful images. I'm contemplating a bottle of that ink... and I hardly need another bottle of ink!!
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I must check out my bottle of Persian Rose to see what colour it looks now. It was always a different shade to Jon's bottle. :(
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Thanks for the excellent review and thread. :thumb:
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Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
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Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.
Thank you, Jim, that is kind of you. I should have mentioned that in the last photo, the background is an image of Persian roses in the gardens of the Shah Abbas Mosque in Isfahan, Iran.
Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/fs/652/333897.jpg
The one in your photo looks like a hybrid tea rose ;)
It is obviously understandable that no municipality would like to plant roses that flower once a year for a brief moment of time ;)
And it is foolhardy to attempt recreate the exact hue of any flower, in this case a specific rose as the colour can be affected by environmental factors :D
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Thanks for the excellent review and thread. :thumb:
Thanks. We need to thank junglejim, Jon and Chrissy for bringing their wealth of knowledge :D
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Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
Thanks...
You can always opt for Black Rose in Australian or English Roses... ;)
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Thanks. We need to thank junglejim, Jon and Chrissy for bringing their wealth of knowledge :D
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Igraine
Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
Thanks...
You can always opt for Black Rose in Australian or English Roses... ;)
Black Swan in English Roses has a cool backstory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFFy3xIkcA
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Thanks for the excellent review and thread. :thumb:
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Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
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Thank you so much, for this link. I was working on review of Black Swan and the backstory gives even more poignancy to what I knew.. much appreciated...
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Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.
You very well could be correct. I want to state clearly: this is not an area of any expertise at all for me - either historically, geopolitically, or horticulturally. So I approached it (originally) with care and not being too certain of things. For any who would be interested in the specific page of information on Persian roses that I accessed the image from, it is here and includes a number of other photos from the general area. Maybe this will fill in the picture a little more.
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Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.
You very well could be correct. I want to state clearly: this is not an area of any expertise at all for me - either historically, geopolitically, or horticulturally. So I approached it (originally) with care and not being too certain of things. For any who would be interested in the specific page of information on Persian roses that I accessed the image from, it is
here and includes a number of other photos from the general area. Maybe this will fill in the picture a little more.
In retrospect, Nathan's goal was to recreate Skrip Persian Rose ink .....and not a rose (plant). In my photos I have used three roses, one Canadian, one US and one French.... they all seem share something with the Persian, Ottoman or Arabian rose... :)
Jim, here is Ottoman Rose's chroma...
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just in case you wanted to compare, here's Shah's Rose
(chroma is on a coffee filter, slightly cream colour of main paper is because it's a Rhodia WebNotebook and that paper is not optical white like Clairefontaine paper is)