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The Sheaffers at Janesville
Here is proof that Walter A. Sheaffer was personally involved in the effort to make major incursions into pen and aeroplane operations in Wisconsin. That's Walter in his favorite conveyance arriving at the outskirts of Janesville with both corporate officers and family in tow. He faces backwards speaking with Joe Kraker in the covered howdah. Alas, the tragic events shortly after this image was captured are lost to history, but I just might come up with something.
Edited to add: This altered image was parody addressing now-deleted posts and threads. As a result of the deletion, the purpose of the humor may no longer be appreciated (except by those who wish to remember). Unfortunately, a newbie to FPGeeks has ironically revived the matter through his misguided posts (below) defending the banned OP of those now-deleted threads (referred to as the "eliminated person"). This thread would have disappeared off the bottom of the page but for the newbie bumping it to the top. I do not intend to bump it again by responding to his false timeline, his hypocrisy and his empty threat.
Unfortunately, the newbie persists in bumping this thread that he finds (hypocritically) so offensive, and continues to evade addressing the evidence of that hypocrisy. Alas, since he drifted into FPGeeks on the coattails of the “eliminated person,” this newbie's whining/whinging has contributed no substance whatsoever to our good forum.
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The truth at last though I am concerned. You are reading FPG at 7:14 in the evening. Shouldn't you be mixing a drink?
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Fred, I'm hoping that you can come up with some more valuable historical images like this one. :)
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From your picture I conclude that Joe Kraker does exist so I am glad that that issue is solved now.
And Walter is possibly lamenting to Joe on the fact that his family name on the howdah cover is misspelled. Or was this done on purpose ... ?
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jos
...family name on the howdah cover is misspelled. Or was this done on purpose ... ?
It was a covert operation.
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Re: The Sheaffers at Janesville
Sirs:
I have tried to understand the usefulness of this thread in a forum dedicated to fountain pens.
I have not succeeded.
Apparently all of you make fun of a person who has already been removed from the forum. Therefore helpless.
I have tried to understand the animosity caused by the various post delivered by the eliminated person and also I do not succeed.
Beyond the obvious harassment I do not see any use of this thread in relation to fountain pens information.
Upon recently entering this forum, I found topics of interest in relation to fountain pens, which I appreciate.
This matter surprises me and seems discordant with the objectives of the forum.
It even allows me to ask the OP:
Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
Best regards
PS. I live in Chile, so I am not spaniard or catalan and neither my name is Ramon.
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Pendict
Sirs: Apparently all of you make fun of a person who has already been removed from the forum. Therefore helpless.
To be very brief, when this thread was made the person in question was most definitely active on the board. This person has a long history, on a number of pen forums, for doing specifically this manner of (mis)informational trolling. When you add in that FPG does not have active moderation, on an ongoing basis, you might understand why forum members themselves try to find ways to counteract such poor behavior. The subject is a bit deepr than a cursory glance, but I don't expect everyone to know that, hence this reply.
We really are very nice people!
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Pendict
Sirs:
I have tried to understand the usefulness of this thread in a forum dedicated to fountain pens.
I have not succeeded.
It even allows me to ask the OP: Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread? Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
Even on a forum dedicated to fountain pens we are allowed to have an occasional thread that provides a little tongue in cheek, lighthearted joke, and laugh a little from time to time. :)
If this particular type of thread doesn't float your boat or fall into your topics of interest in relation to fountain pens, then that's OK. There are many other fountain pen and ink topics on here that might suit you better. :)
Sadly, in my humble opinion, and if you don't mind me giving you this heads-up, your last paragraph comes across as rather threatening and unfriendly. That's a real shame. :(
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Pendict
Sirs:
I have tried to understand the usefulness of this thread in a forum dedicated to fountain pens.
I have not succeeded.
Apparently all of you make fun of a person who has already been removed from the forum. Therefore helpless.
I have tried to understand the animosity caused by the various post delivered by the eliminated person and also I do not succeed.
Beyond the obvious harassment I do not see any use of this thread in relation to fountain pens information.
Upon recently entering this forum, I found topics of interest in relation to fountain pens, which I appreciate.
This matter surprises me and seems discordant with the objectives of the forum.
It even allows me to ask the OP:
Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
Best regards
PS. I live in Chile, so I am not spaniard or catalan and neither my name is Ramon.
Some folk were placed on this earth just to be targets.
It ain't as easy being a target as many folk think; the general public being oblivious to all that is not manipulatively inserted into their psyche; thus the wannabe targets move from location to location, trying to attract attention and then complaining when they find their beautiful fantasies shot full of holes.
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Pendict
Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
Tell us about your posts objecting to Ramon's applying his own copyright label to photographs taken and owned by someone else, too.
--Daniel
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Pendict
Sirs:
I have tried to understand the usefulness of this thread in a forum dedicated to fountain pens.
I have not succeeded.
Apparently all of you make fun of a person who has already been removed from the forum. Therefore helpless.
I have tried to understand the animosity caused by the various post delivered by the eliminated person and also I do not succeed.
Beyond the obvious harassment I do not see any use of this thread in relation to fountain pens information.
Upon recently entering this forum, I found topics of interest in relation to fountain pens, which I appreciate.
This matter surprises me and seems discordant with the objectives of the forum.
It even allows me to ask the OP:
Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
Best regards
PS. I live in Chile, so I am not spaniard or catalan and neither my name is Ramon.
Does every thread have to be useful? I found this image very amusing and it caused me to look up the work of James Gurney which I didn't know about before.
You appear to be defending "the person removed from the forum." Believe me, what he was doing was utterly indefensible.
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Hi all:
I am a man who is nearing the end of his days.
I have many defects and among them I can point out:
I don't usually give advice or impart moral or behavioral norms to anyone.
The advice I receive is evaluate according to who gives it to me and my own beliefs and convictions.
Usually I stand for my words but I don't want hurt anyone.
I distinguish facts from opinions, and I prefer facts for my decisions.
If I see a person attacked by many others, I tend to get on their side and shake hands.
If in a debate I hear arguments “ad hominem”, I usually dismiss them as spurious.
If I see contradictions between what is said and done, I suspect.
And since my native language is not English, sometimes I prefer someone else to speak for me.
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
With all due respect and without any spirit of harassment or to shame anybody, I will pose a humble question:
Since the questioned threads were already deleted I wonder if it would be convenient to remove this thread too?
Best regards to all.
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Pendict
With all due respect and without any spirit of harassment or to shame anybody, I will pose a humble question:
Since the questioned threads were already deleted I wonder if it would be convenient to remove this thread too?
On fora it is always unwise to try and discuss people who have been banned, but you seem to be particularly interested in only talking about that one person. I will therefore put forward a theory of what probably happened in order for you to hopefully see the sequence of events and allow the subject to drop.
The person who posted all of those threads was banned from the forum, just as he has been banned from other fora. The threads he had posted were not deleted.
However, he decided he wasn't going to be banned, so he immediately rejoined as another ID and posted loads more images on his threads. Therefore the administrator banned that ID and removed all of the threads in order to prevent him from doing that again.
This thread has nothing to do with it. It was posted while the banned member was still posting. It's just another thread from another member.
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I think you place yourself stubbornly on the wrong side of the argument, Pendict. Are you really supporting someone who consistently stole the work of others? That nonsense which annoyed and upset so many of us has gone. Lets forget about it and get one with having good discussion and fun about pens and everything else.
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Deb
I think you place yourself stubbornly on the wrong side of the argument, Pendict. Are you really supporting someone who consistently stole the work of others? That nonsense which annoyed and upset so many of us has gone. Lets forget about it and get one with having good discussion and fun about pens and everything else.
Absolutely. :)
Pendict, life is too short, as very sadly you suggest you may already be aware. Enjoy your fountain pens and maybe don't concern yourself too much with minutiae of what's already gone.
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Pendict
I don't usually give advice or impart moral or behavioral norms to anyone.
Someone seems to have hacked your account, because this was posted under your name:
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Originally Posted by Pendict
Does Mr. James Gurney know the use that has been given to his work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I have allowed myself to inform the artist and his representatives about the subject.
--Daniel
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Hi there.
If you don't mind I don't like contextomy.
"He who keeps a silent tongue in his head when the air is filled with anger is on the way to holding down his own wrath. But he who keeps a silent mind will conquer it more quickly and easily."
Best regards.
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Pendict
"He who keeps a silent tongue in his head when the air is filled with anger is on the way to holding down his own wrath. But he who keeps a silent mind will conquer it more quickly and easily."
Does Mr. Paul Brunton's Philosophic Foundation know the use that has been given to its work in this thread?
Intrigued by that doubt, I include here the proper reference:
https://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/6/3#155
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En boca cerrada no entran moscas.
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Pendict
Hi there.
If you don't mind I don't like contextomy.
"He who keeps a silent tongue in his head when the air is filled with anger is on the way to holding down his own wrath. But he who keeps a silent mind will conquer it more quickly and easily."
Best regards.
Still waiting to see where you called out Ramon for putting his own copyright notice on a photo taken by, owned by, and copyrighted by someone else.
?
--Daniel
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I'm confused. I thought this thread was going to be a well-documented, serious inquiry into whether or not W. A. Sheaffer and Alley Oop lived contemporaneously? Can we please get back on topic? And hey -- how cool are those dinosaurs!
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calamus
I'm confused. I thought this thread was going to be a well-documented, serious inquiry into whether or not W. A. Sheaffer and Alley Oop lived contemporaneously? Can we please get back on topic? And hey -- how cool are those dinosaurs!
I can confirm, from first hand experience, that those dinosaurs are cool. :wink:
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Must be something in the air.
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pajaro
Must be something in the air.
More like something in the water...
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pajaro
En boca cerrada no entran moscas.
Cierto, por supuesto
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Hi to every one.
Oops, so many newbies.
It’s not my intention to bumps hypocritically this empty thread, once and again, but it happens.
I am innocent on this.
“Sometimes a pen is just a pen”. Paraphrase based on something that someone said that Dr. Freud once said.
https://www.cigaraficionado.com/arti...te-primer-9036
https://youtu.be/mQCWY5ynBaw
Best regards.
PS: In case it works, I'm not dying.
Just as Dante Alighieri once pointed out, I am already far, far away, from the middle of my life.
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Pendict
Hi to every one.
Hi!
What's your opinion of Ramon's applying his own copyright label to a photograph that was taken by, copyrighted by, and is owned by someone else?
Don't be evasive.
--Daniel
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Hi there.
Any deliberation that seeks some agree should be based on respect among the participants and also a respect for the rules of a legitimate debate.
Constantly appealing to argumentative fallacies forces to suspect ignorance or ill will.
Now is the Tu quoque argument repetitively and boring full expressed.
How important is who I am, think or have done, against the fact that someone was criticized for using stolen images from the internet and the contradiction that in a satirical thread against that person, it begins with an image from a well-known contemporary artist, not identified and additionally altered?
Furthermore that the questioned threads have been deleted and the sarcastic sense of humor in this mess is increasingly unintelligible.
When enough is enough?
Best regards.
For those whose ego requires it, I want to formally declare that my fountain pen is no bigger or nicer than none.
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Pendict
Hi there.
Any deliberation that seeks some agree should be based on respect among the participants and also a respect for the rules of a legitimate debate.
Constantly appealing to argumentative fallacies forces to suspect ignorance or ill will.
Now is the
Tu quoque argument repetitively and boring full expressed.
How important is who I am, think or have done, against the fact that someone was criticized for using stolen images from the internet and the contradiction that in a satirical thread against that person, it begins with an image from a well-known contemporary artist, not identified and additionally altered?
Furthermore that the questioned threads have been deleted and the sarcastic sense of humor in this mess is increasingly unintelligible.
When enough is enough?
Best regards.
For those whose ego requires it, I want to formally declare that my fountain pen is no bigger or nicer than none.
Maybe, in your own forum.
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"PS. I live in Chile, so I am not spaniard or catalan and neither my name is Ramon."
This is what I really do not get.
Also the name of above inhabitants should be capitalized. not showing them any respect.
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Pendict, you're becoming a bore.
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Deb
Pendict, you're becoming a bore.
I agree. Like a dog with a bone. I'm even starting to wonder if he's Ramon, risen again from the ashes....
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He says he's not, which is maybe good reason to believe that he is.
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Maybe we're all just spending too much time on the net...
Attachment 48886
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Oh, wait... Monica Lewinsky still exists?!!
She's gonna vote Bernie, right?
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SIR
Oh, wait... Monica Lewinsky still exists?!!
She's gonna vote Bernie, right?
Given the quality of choices she's already made, I would guess that'd be a yes.
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@FredRydr, that pic in the OP is hella cool! I wish more companies would use ads like that.
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Pendict
Hi there.
Any deliberation that seeks some agree should be based on respect among the participants and also a respect for the rules of a legitimate debate.
Constantly appealing to argumentative fallacies forces to suspect ignorance or ill will.
Now is the
Tu quoque argument repetitively and boring full expressed.
How important is who I am, think or have done, against the fact that someone was criticized for using stolen images from the internet and the contradiction that in a satirical thread against that person, it begins with an image from a well-known contemporary artist, not identified and additionally altered?
Furthermore that the questioned threads have been deleted and the sarcastic sense of humor in this mess is increasingly unintelligible.
When enough is enough?
Best regards.
For those whose ego requires it, I want to formally declare that my fountain pen is no bigger or nicer than none.
I see the magic brownies were good. A certain somebody ate the entire plate.
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Pendict
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For those whose ego requires it, I want to formally declare that my fountain pen is no bigger or nicer than none.
Ramon had a fixation with ego too.
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Pendict
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For those whose ego requires it, I want to formally declare that my fountain pen is no bigger or nicer than none.
Ramon had a fixation with ego too.
Yes indeed.