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    Default Re: Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    I sent an email to JetPens' CS, and they're usually quite good about responding. I did try to go through RayMay's site, but it's in Japanese, and the Google translator is not working so spectacularly with it. Ah well.

    Edit: the one thing that works so far is my .35 Rapidograph, which also fits in the pen loop. I can live with that for now. I am currently digging through pen pal letters, because I know SOMEONE wrote to me on TR, and I'm going to compare it to what I've got in here now--I'm suspicious because the paper doesn't feel quite as smooth as what I recall. I am also going down to a Kinokinuya Bookstore in the near future, and with luck they will have some inserts that I can check out. I'm on a mission!!
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    Default Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    Looking at your pictures, it seems that you have a little feathering as well. I've bought TR paper from a variety of sources including Hobonichi planners, notebooks from Paper for Fountain Pens and Nanami as well as loose leaf from other sources. I've never had feathering and only 1 or 2 occasions of minimal bleed through in my planner only. I use wet, juicy, broad nibs and saturated inks. The only bleed through was from a very wet flex pen, using a dark saturated ink and it was barely noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmershadow View Post
    I sent an email to JetPens' CS, and they're usually quite good about responding. I did try to go through RayMay's site, but it's in Japanese, and the Google translator is not working so spectacularly with it. Ah well.

    Edit: the one thing that works so far is my .35 Rapidograph, which also fits in the pen loop. I can live with that for now. I am currently digging through pen pal letters, because I know SOMEONE wrote to me on TR, and I'm going to compare it to what I've got in here now--I'm suspicious because the paper doesn't feel quite as smooth as what I recall. I am also going down to a Kinokinuya Bookstore in the near future, and with luck they will have some inserts that I can check out. I'm on a mission!!
    PM me your address and I will send you samples to compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newjelan View Post
    Looking at your pictures, it seems that you have a little feathering as well. I've bought TR paper from a variety of sources including Hobonichi planners, notebooks from Paper for Fountain Pens and Nanami as well as loose leaf from other sources. I've never had feathering and only 1 or 2 occasions of minimal bleed through in my planner only. I use wet, juicy, broad nibs and saturated inks. The only bleed through was from a very wet flex pen, using a dark saturated ink and it was barely noticeable.
    Thank goodness you saw it too, I thought I was going crazy there for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharmon202 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmershadow View Post
    I sent an email to JetPens' CS, and they're usually quite good about responding. I did try to go through RayMay's site, but it's in Japanese, and the Google translator is not working so spectacularly with it. Ah well.

    Edit: the one thing that works so far is my .35 Rapidograph, which also fits in the pen loop. I can live with that for now. I am currently digging through pen pal letters, because I know SOMEONE wrote to me on TR, and I'm going to compare it to what I've got in here now--I'm suspicious because the paper doesn't feel quite as smooth as what I recall. I am also going down to a Kinokinuya Bookstore in the near future, and with luck they will have some inserts that I can check out. I'm on a mission!!
    PM me your address and I will send you samples to compare.
    Sending, thank you!!!
    "Feri ando payi sitsholpe te nauyas"
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    “She wore a gown the color of storms, shadows, and rain and a necklace of broken promises and regrets.”
    ― Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell

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    Default Re: Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    Hey Shadow you sure that's TR? It's behaving oddly, much closer to Leauthurrm 1917 (spelt wrong) or the SketchyNotebook paper I sent you
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    Here's the link to exactly what I got, where I got it from. JetPens claims it is TR paper in there. Just got an email back from their CS who wanted to confirm that I knew the difference between ghosting and actual feathering and bleedthrough. (Not unreasonable, just frustrating.) They say that they don't know anything about RayMay using different grades of paper for the refills.

    http://www.jetpens.com/Raymay-Davinc...-Wine/pd/11679
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    I find it really hard to believe that Tomoe River paper would hold up to a ring binder. It is so fine, so delicate I just can't see the real stuff working in a ring binder. Maybe I'm wrong but the moment I saw that it was punched my first thought was "that's not Tomoe River."
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    Default Re: Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    You might send them a few squares of samples after you are able to decide what is what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandaina View Post
    I find it really hard to believe that Tomoe River paper would hold up to a ring binder. It is so fine, so delicate I just can't see the real stuff working in a ring binder. Maybe I'm wrong but the moment I saw that it was punched my first thought was "that's not Tomoe River."
    Apparently people have been using it (both home-printed and as the DaVinci inserts--the good ones) in their Filofaxes quite satisfactorily. it's not like it's a full-sized ring binder, it's just a planner.
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    Maybe I'm harder on paper in ring binders, but even the cheap school lined paper always rips through for me. No way I could use Tomoe no matter how small.
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    I can see TR in a Six or more ring binder easily like Fofax or Franklins not really that shocking
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    Okay! So several things happened today. I got the very kind samples from sharmon202 (Thank you Sandy!!!), and I got in some DaVinci refill packs from JetPens. (I also got back the Edison Premier that I had to send out for repairs because I chipped the cap like a big stupid, but that's neither here nor there.) Anyway. The TR from Sandy? WHOLE 'NOTHER EXPERIENCE IN PAPER. It is amazing, truly. I tried a bunch of pens and inks and even deliberately tried to make things bleed through it, and it was like freakin' SuperPaper. I don't know if it's enough to pull me away from my Rhodia notebook fixation for school stuff, but it's become a serious contender for taking over from Rhodia and Clairefontane for letters. I love it. And it behaves so, so differently from the original paper in the DaVinci, I can see why with all the headscratching. Too weird.

    Now, the part that I know all y'all wanted to hear about--the refill inserts. I am pleased (albeit boggled) to say that they behave like proper TR!! No bleeding, no feathering, nothing. So honestly, I don't know wtf RayMay was actually putting in their starter sets, but I'm engaged in an ongoing discussion with the good folks at JetPens about it. I'm still using the old paper with my Rapidograph, just because I hate the thought of wasting all that paper, but I'm psyched to get to the point where I can use the good stuff! At last I know and understand what all the fuss is about...

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    Default Re: Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmershadow View Post
    Blarrrgh. Well, it looks like I somehow might've gotten a bad batch of the TR then...I wonder if JetPens will be able to help out at all. For those who requested, here are some pics of what I was talking about. (And because I cannot seem to get pics to work today, here's links.)

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO...ew?usp=sharing

    Not life-threatening by any means, but it does mean that my planner is currently not FP-friendly. It might not even be anything other than pencil friendly, I haven't experimented enough to be sure. Inks used were Diamine "Tyrian Purple", Noodler's "mass 54th" and Noodler's "Polar Blue"; pens were a Platinum Preppy F, Lamy Vista EF, and a Sheaffer #5. again, I know that TR is thin, but this is definitely unlike anything I've seen anyone else post as far as their TR experiences go.

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    Shadow
    As I said before the SketchyNotebook paper should in no way be better then Tomoe River Writing paper. So there has to be an error in advertising or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmershadow View Post
    Now, the part that I know all y'all wanted to hear about--the refill inserts. I am pleased (albeit boggled) to say that they behave like proper TR!! No bleeding, no feathering, nothing. So honestly, I don't know wtf RayMay was actually putting in their starter sets, but I'm engaged in an ongoing discussion with the good folks at JetPens about it. I'm still using the old paper with my Rapidograph, just because I hate the thought of wasting all that paper, but I'm psyched to get to the point where I can use the good stuff! At last I know and understand what all the fuss is about...
    I'm so glad you reported back about that. And that Jetpens is working on it, too.

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    A big +1 on the photo comment, Shimmer. Glad it's starting to work out!
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    Default Re: Cry Me A Tomoe River (or, Thin Paper Blues)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmershadow View Post
    So honestly, I don't know wtf RayMay was actually putting in their starter sets, but I'm engaged in an ongoing discussion with the good folks at JetPens about it.
    If they are calling it Tomoe River and it is quite thin, I'd bet money it is just a different spec of TR paper, and not the one that is good with FPs.

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    I am so happy to help you to get to the bottom of this. Way to hang in there and not get frustrated and give up!
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