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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    I do this too, though in a tremendously inelegant way. Colonel Klink 10x loupe in my eye, and my 40x illuminated loupe held over that in my left hand, pen in the right.
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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mhosea View Post
    Pilot likes to adjust their nibs so that the gap narrows all the way to a close at the tip of the nib. That leads to dry upstrokes. I don't think Japanese writers need to use many up-strokes, though I wouldn't really know. I just know that when I watched the Pilot manufacturing video where a technician was testing a pen, they didn't seem to need any. Anyway, IMHO, the optimal adjustment is a slight gap at the tip. If the slit tapers to where the tines almost touch, but don't, I think your dry upstrokes will go away. The asymmetry between the right and left strokes will usually indicate a misalignment of the tines or perhaps a slight rotation in your grip. I didn't really watch carefully enough to be sure, but my guess would be a slight misalignment. So, just two things: 1. introduce a slight gap, 2. precisely align the tines. If there's a third, watch your rotation.

    Different nibs can have different limitations in how you can go about it, but generally there's more than one way to adjust the gap at the nib tip. The method that professional nibmeisters usually seem to suggest first is to grasp the edges of the "wings" of the nib and pull sideways as if trying to pull the tines apart.

    but there's the link so you can read it for yourself. If I over-shoot it and introduce a wider gap than I want, I try criss-crossing the tines. That usually brings it back.
    Pilot isn't the only culprit, here. I've had many new pens of many brands that had this problem (slit too tight). I think that the modern nib/feed manufacturers leave them that way from the factory, and unless you purchase your pen from a seller who tests each pen, you are at risk of having this happen. Good to know how to remedy the situation, as this seems to make up the majority of my new pen issues. (Now that we've apparently gotten past the "plastic feeds that won't feed" phase of a couple of years ago. . . )

    Very well stated, Mike. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    Nib-slit flossing with a brass shim didn't do the trick on my Pilot Stargazer though, which had the same problem until I spread the tines similar to Mike's advise... now the nib is a real charmer! The good news is, however, that such a moderately 'soft' nib will reward you with a delightful writing experience, enhanced shading and responsiveness; I look at the adjustment work almost as a worthy investment by now

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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by inklord View Post
    Nib-slit flossing with a brass shim didn't do the trick on my Pilot Stargazer though, which had the same problem until I spread the tines similar to Mike's advise...
    My experience has been the same. The good thing about shimming with anything of reasonable thickness for the job is that it tends to make a minimal change--hard to overdo it. If it does enough, then you're happy. The bad thing is that usually doesn't accomplish anything at all (except to clean your nib slit of any gunk at the end). It's more likely to work with nibs that aren't "soft". I once had a Waterman 2A that could be thought of as semi-flex. You could shim it all day long, and it would bounce back to exactly where you started every time.

    Shimming to widen the gap seems like a direct approach to the problem, but because the nib is a flat sheet of metal that is bent, it is a very inefficient way of introducing a tine-spreading force. The nib slit is a kerf from a saw blade when it is created. If the nib were still flat, how would you close such a thing? You could not do so without introducing some curvature into the sheet of metal. The nib is stamped into a roughly cylindrical shape, and the tines are pushed together by forcing them down towards the center line of the feed. The wings are there because a twist is needed to bring them back to parallel (otherwise the two halves of the tip would make a V when you look at the nib head-on). You might think that from here, shimming the gap is pushing the tines directly apart, but when that really happens, it is always bad because the slit no longer tapers all the way, rather tapers for awhile and then widens (yes, I've done that). Then you have to fix that without breaking off the tipping (yes, I've done that). Fortunately, that rarely happens. Instead, the nib accommodates the spreading force by bending the tines upwards a tiny bit. That is to say, in most cases, shimming the gap is an indirect way of forcing the tines up, away from the feed's center line.
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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mhosea View Post
    That is to say, in most cases, shimming the gap is an indirect way of forcing the tines up, away from the feed's center line.
    . . . And, IIRC, that is exactly what the late Frank Dubiel sometimes advised us to do. He said to use both of your thumbnails and force the tines of the nib up and apart gently, then re-try the nib. Repeat as needed. This works, but one must take great care not to open up the slit too much, lest you have a gusher of a nib that is two sizes wider than it is marked (and yes, I've done THAT).

    Also remember that when Richard Binder was selling new pens and "binderizing" their nibs, he normally included a note card with each pen, on which it warned the user that since the nib had been "Binderized" it would likely write a wider stroke than other similar pens that had not been adjusted.

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    Last week I was in a similar situation as the OP. I got a brand new 92 CH with an Fine-Medium (FM) nib. It was super dry and scratchy out of the box. I had zero experience with adjusting FPs, but I did a little research and I decide to try and adjust the nib. My method was to take the nib off, and to gently flex it several times, so as to open it up a bit. At first, I noticed some improvement (less scratchy, more flow), but it was still unsatisfactory: in particular, I observed the same problem as the OP did (with left strokes and up strokes). So I repeated the flexing process once more. Now I can actually see a very fine gap between the nib's tines all the way to the tip (there was not a gap at all at the tip before). The pen writes smoothly and it is quite wet. I am finally happy with how it writes, and sort of proud with being able to adjust it myself. Thank you!

    Attached is a writing sample done after adjustment. Noodlers Black ink on Xerox Multipurpose Plus paper.
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    Default Re: Pilot Custom Heritage 92 Upstroke and Left Stroke Problem

    I have had lots of problems like that with my Pilot pens with many non-Pilot inks.

    X-Feather sounds almost like a worst case scenario.

    You might clean the pen and try it with Pilot or Iro ink just to see what you got there, you might be shocked with the result having adjust the nib for X-feather.

    I have 2 new CH912 and a C74. Both of which hated a long list of inks but all of which are plenty wet and consistent with Pilot Blue, or Asa-Gao or what have you. It is bizarre. I have never seen anything like it. Night and Day. There must be something about those feeds and those ink formulas.

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