On the Subject of FPN, Censorship, and Community

[Chazz]

I have no problem if my assumption is wrong(I've been wrong before) that there is a financial relationship. But even in sponsorship the needs of the sponsor should not prevail over the members,esp. if all the members have done is to prematurely introduce future product info into the marketplace. John

That decision is for the owner of the forum to make. It is not up to others to decide who should get priority on a privately owned forum. More importantly, the owner of FPN has made his decision, and threads such as this will not change it.

Actually you're wrong, again, but that's not surprising as Wim has posted here in the past ....yes he really has...and after the absurdity of one of his banning was pointed out it was reversed. Wim frequently visits and monitors other boards and has banned people who post elsewhere when he doesn't like what's said. Your understanding on this subject is negligible....your post demonstrate that.

Sorry to have to tell you this again: it is for the forum owner to make. The fact that Wim may have said whatever, or even changed his mind on something, does not change that; all it shows, at best, is that he is responsive to his readers. Think a bit more about that, anf you will get it. Indeed, reflect the fact that people (you included) are here whining hopelessly and helplessly about how some thins are done on FPN!

[Chazz]

Wim frequently visits and monitors other boards and has banned people who post elsewhere when he doesn't like what's said.

He has every right to do whatever he pleases on his forum. And there is nothing you (or anyone else) can do about, except whine here!

[checkrail]

The fine point, with no pun particularly intended, about FPG is that no-one will be banned on the basis of my or anyone else's being offended. That is not theoretical as plenty has been said that could be judged offensive, but it is good to know people are not shut down.
Regards,
Timothy

[Jon Szanto]

Chazz responds:

[Flounder]

I thought it was Dr. Deans' intention to post all the information censored on his blog? Will this be happening?

[pengeezer]

Wim frequently visits and monitors other boards and has banned people who post elsewhere when he doesn't like what's said.

He has every right to do whatever he pleases on his forum. And there is nothing you (or anyone else) can do about, except whine here!

Let me see if I have it figured out correctly.....if we whine,it means we don't care and are just desiring to make fun of the
owner of a forum and his way of doing things(i.e., deviating from forum rules as it suits him). If we whine,that means we're
jealous of him and of his way of doing things. Yet our response is to allow that it is his forum and that he can run it as he
pleases,only that we are upset by his desire to deceive as he chooses and to the extent that he chooses. So if that pre-
mise is correct,then--


-we should be jealous the he's better at deceiving than we are;

-we shouldn't care if anyone gets deceived there

-we should think only about ourselves and forget about any other members;we're the one
that's important



Since none of that is the case.....I'd say the shoe's on the other foot.



John

[Sailor Kenshin]

Chazz responds:

I can LOLZing!

[Giovanni Abrate]

I had a PM from Wim about a post not on FPN...I basically told him to fuck off..and was banned. Apparently to some FPN censoring outside their own private domain is perfectly acceptable. Do you think I'd bother to lie ?

Well, as a forum, they are not alone: I was banned from another boutique pen forum for something I said here.

Jon,

I had indeed forgotten about this unfortunate turn of events.

In as much as I'm aware, we have had banning activities on almost all the boutiques I can think of where I have played. Limiting this to banning of active and respected members of at least one boutique so as to exclude trolls being banned, I know of the following that banned at least one active member of the pen community:

Lion and Pen (defunct)
Pen Trace (now the New Pentrace under different management)
The Zoss List
Fountain Pen Network
Fountain Pen Board
New Pentrace


There may be others, I don't play everywhere.

Well, I never banned anyone from Pentrace, except when a poster engages in repeated blatant violation of our guidelines http://www.newpentrace.net/netiquette.html
and certainly not for anything posted elsewhere. In fact, I can only think of one instance of banning a poster in the last ten years (and the ban was quite appropriate).

[Chazz]

Let me see if I have it figured out correctly.....if we whine,it means we don't care and are just desiring to make fun of the
owner of a forum and his way of doing things(i.e., deviating from forum rules as it suits him). If we whine,that means we're
jealous of him and of his way of doing things. Yet our response is to allow that it is his forum and that he can run it as he
pleases,only that we are upset by his desire to deceive as he chooses and to the extent that he chooses. So if that pre-
mise is correct,then--

-we should be jealous the he's better at deceiving than we are;

-we shouldn't care if anyone gets deceived there

-we should think only about ourselves and forget about any other members;we're the one
that's important

Since none of that is the case.....I'd say the shoe's on the other foot.
John

The first thing to be said about what you have written is that you were obviously not in school on the day they taught elementary logic and reasoning. The second thing to be said is that you are still whining (hopelessly and helplessly). And the third thing is this: the misplaced bile dripping from you and your buddies here won't change a thing on FPN.

[Chazz]

I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Wim for ensuring that troublemakers and pests, none of whom have anything useful to offer, are kept out of FPN and relegated to fringe zones (like this one).

[HughC]

I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Wim for ensuring that troublemakers and pests, none of whom have anything useful to offer, are kept out of FPN and relegated to fringe zones (like this one).

So you're here because you have nothing "useful to offer" ?....

[HughC]

I have no problem if my assumption is wrong(I've been wrong before) that there is a financial relationship. But even in sponsorship the needs of the sponsor should not prevail over the members,esp. if all the members have done is to prematurely introduce future product info into the marketplace. John

That decision is for the owner of the forum to make. It is not up to others to decide who should get priority on a privately owned forum. More importantly, the owner of FPN has made his decision, and threads such as this will not change it.

Actually you're wrong, again, but that's not surprising as Wim has posted here in the past ....yes he really has...and after the absurdity of one of his banning was pointed out it was reversed. Wim frequently visits and monitors other boards and has banned people who post elsewhere when he doesn't like what's said. Your understanding on this subject is negligible....your post demonstrate that.

Sorry to have to tell you this again: it is for the forum owner to make. The fact that Wim may have said whatever, or even changed his mind on something, does not change that; all it shows, at best, is that he is responsive to his readers. Think a bit more about that, anf you will get it. Indeed, reflect the fact that people (you included) are here whining hopelessly and helplessly about how some thins are done on FPN!

What a wonderful example of failed logic....

Using your logic we should all accept what Kim Jong Um does in North Korea because he owns it ? Of course anything else would be just whining.....

Did it ever occur to you that the right to freely expressing ones thoughts is a right many like to have?

Did it ever occur to you that suppressing free speak is not a desirable trait ?

Did it ever occur to you that a forum can be run in an open and democratic style ?

Did it ever occur to you that Geeks embodies all the best aspects of a pen forum ?

Did it ever occur to you that it's just plain stupid to come here and whinge about the very forum that allows you to whinge ?

*sigh*

[HughC]

If we can get him to post here just 15 more times, we can claim he's more a part of this forum than that one.

You might have to do a running tally Mike..

[Jon Szanto]

And the third thing is this: the misplaced bile dripping from you and your buddies ...

[Chazz]

Did it ever occur to you that suppressing free speak is not a desirable trait ?

Too many pointless questions, but I will take this one because it offers the most direct and quickest opportunity to give you a basic lesson.

Like that American chap (earlier on this thread), you have some peculiar notions of free speech (or "free speak", as you put it). The most basic thing you should know is that neither you nor anyone else has any right to say whatever you wish to say in/at wherever you wsh and in whatever fashion you wish. (In the normal course of life, normal people will quickly appreciate that one.) On this matter, it should be very clear that the owner of the forum FPN has every right to place limitations on whatever is posted there. The clueless ones who disagree with that can sue or just (like you) keep whinging here.

[Crazyorange]

Did it ever occur to you that suppressing free speak is not a desirable trait ?

Too many pointless questions, but I will take this one because it offers the most direct and quickest opportunity to give you a basic lesson.

Like that American chap (earlier on this thread), you have some peculiar notions of free speech (or "free speak", as you put it). The most basic thing you should know is that neither you nor anyone else has any right to say whatever you wish to say in/at wherever you wsh and in whatever fashion you wish. (In the normal course of life, normal people will quickly appreciate that one.) On this matter, it should be very clear that the owner of the forum FPN has every right to place limitations on whatever is posted there. The clueless ones who disagree with that can sue or just (like you) keep whinging here.

Wow. . I'll stick with the bile bean club - we wine with our beans.

Good thing for freedom of speech....cause according to your thoughts you have no right to speak up. Remember you don't have any rights to say what you want when you want. I do believe you're eating bile beans.

[ian1964]

Did it ever occur to you that suppressing free speak is not a desirable trait ?

Too many pointless questions, but I will take this one because it offers the most direct and quickest opportunity to give you a basic lesson.


Like that American chap (earlier on this thread), you have some peculiar notions of free speech (or "free speak", as you put it). The most basic thing you should know is that neither you nor anyone else has any right to say whatever you wish to say in/at wherever you wsh and in whatever fashion you wish. (In the normal course of life, normal people will quickly appreciate that one.) On this matter, it should be very clear that the owner of the forum FPN has every right to place limitations on whatever is posted there. The clueless ones who disagree with that can sue or just (like you) keep whinging here.

Well there you have! From the horses mouth as it were. If you have a difference of opinion to Chazz and or FPN, you should be censored and accused of whining. What a sad little world you inhabit Chazz

[Chazz]

Good thing for freedom of speech....cause according to your thoughts you have no right to speak up. Remember you don't have any rights to say what you want when you want. I do believe you're eating bile beans.

Sigh. Another Guns 'n Roses type that can neither read nor think. Never mind. I'll keep it simple for you, mate: whatever your notions are, you won't get to free exercise them on FPN. No matter how much you jump up and down on FPG.

[Chazz]

Well there you have! From the horses mouth as it were. If you have a difference of opinion to Chazz and or FPN, you should be censored and accused of whining. What a sad little world you inhabit Chazz

Even on such a mostly-clueless thread, your excess of emotion is way off. Calm down, buddy. Just don't post your crap on FPN, and you'll be OK.

[Crazyorange]

Good thing for freedom of speech....cause according to your thoughts you have no right to speak up. Remember you don't have any rights to say what you want when you want. I do believe you're eating bile beans.

Sigh. Another Guns 'n Roses type that can neither read nor think. Never mind. I'll keep it simple for you, mate: whatever your notions are, you won't get to free exercise them on FPN. No matter how much you jump up and down on FPG.

Actually Chaz....I'm barely on that forum. So no jumping up or down here. I wouldn't miss FPN if it disappeared tomorrow.