Fred,
Yes we most likely refer to the same incident. I actually read the printed letter at a pen gathering in celebration of the suit being dismissed. Most here are likely not aware of the incident to which we refer and as such do not believe MB would engage in such tactics to protect the "brand" and as such the leap to MB paid for censorship keeps coming up.
Todd
reprieve (March 17th, 2016)
Because we didn't go to FPN to receive lessons, and we don't appreciate being treated as a lower class.
To be honest, I really don't care - it just amazes me that some people genuinely believe such attitudes are acceptable today - it's just another form of abuse, like religious courts operating in a secular society it has all the hallmarks of religious mania.
Last edited by SIR; March 16th, 2016 at 01:39 AM.
I still don't get what all the fuss is about. If you don't like FPN then just don't go there!
It reminds me of when I was a kid. Always spent the entire day outside with my friends playing soccer. Every now and again an argument would break out and then the inevitable would happen...the offended kid would say " I am going home and it's my ball and I am taking it home with me! ". This of course ruined it for everyone but there was an easy solution...go get another ball! Did the kid who took the ball away ever get to play with us again? Of course he did. We all make mistakes right? Should we just all vilify the FPN owner for running things the way he sees fit for his business?
The owner at FPN can do as he pleases. Again, if you don't like his practices just don't go there. I still go there. I still gain some knowledge there. I really don't care how the owner runs his forum. Don't know him. Won't ever meet him. We won't ever be friends. I really don't care if I ever get banned from there, or here for that matter, as this is a "hobbyist" forum for pens for goodness sake. This is not a political arena and whatever goes on at FPN or FPGeeks is not going to affect my life in the slightest little bit.
As an aside. We are on 30+ pages of this and still the solution seems simple to me. If you don't like the business practices at FPN don't go there. Problem solved!
David
Last edited by Sandy Fry; March 16th, 2016 at 03:24 AM.
Sailor Kenshin (March 16th, 2016), TSherbs (March 16th, 2016)
We're adults to start with. We have expectations to be treat with a degree of respect....you know...like an explanation of exactly what sin you've committed, a right to answer the accusations....sort of what most think of as everyday rights. So if you make some really stupid rule in your classroom by simple oversight there's no way a student can point it out ? So as a teacher you believe you're always right? So as a teacher you like to stifle open minded discussion ? Do you bother to explain your rules and why they exist ? Glad to know you're never wrong btw!! In case you and Jar hadn't bothered to read the whole topic below is post #6. Please read and understand I've never deviated from what I said then in that post, just reinforce the obvious.
RNHC (March 16th, 2016)
Even the best teacher makes mistakes. Putting ones self on a level of "I don't make a mistake" or not admitting
to making mistakes does not endear the students to the teacher; rather like a parent that admits to their
children that they made a mistake--that endears the student to the teacher. BTW,nothing wrong with
having rules in a classroom;they are necessary as a foundation and I think that the students expect that.
Being inflexible with the rules in an "across-the-board" manner,however,is indicative of a dictatorial `tude.
John
Last edited by SIR; March 16th, 2016 at 05:59 AM.
I tend to agree except "far more" boring seem a bit hyperbolic. I do find them more boring with their too conservative designs but, on the other hand, I find many European pens overly ornate and busy. There is a handful of Japanese pens that I find interesting like the sleek integrated nibbed pens like Pilot M90 and carbon bodied pen from Tombow - and, of course, Nakaya pens.
Last edited by RNHC; March 16th, 2016 at 07:07 AM.
Sailor Kenshin (March 16th, 2016)
Fred,
Yes we most likely refer to the same incident. I actually read the printed letter at a pen gathering in celebration of the suit being dismissed. Most here are likely not aware of the incident to which we refer and as such do not believe MB would engage in such tactics to protect the "brand" and as such the leap to MB paid for censorship keeps coming up.
Todd[/QUOTE]
Let's see: the suit by MB it has the exclusive right to use triple cap bands (!!), for displaying a MB pen with a non-MB overlay, the suit against Cross about refills...
MB is no stranger to litigation. If you think that a hue and cry from the pen community provides immunity to suit you are naive.
And, on another note, you can see that the subject of the MB vs Roger Cromwell litigation FPN was raised by Don Lavin, the thread paused for review, and then re-opened for comment. After the suit was thoroughly discussed, and the case was settled the thread was closed.
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...-by-montblanc/
gary
This seems uncharitable to say of any moderator. Perhaps you could send me a link of a thread with this kind of moodiness or agenda that Wim is pushing. I have many more posts over there and have never seen such a thing. The only time that I have seen posts disappear is when they take on the vitriol that I find more often over here. I assume that you are not arguing on behalf of uncensored vitriol and ad hominem attacks.
You don't see a lot of what happens because it's either invisiblised, edit out or done by PM. That is why it always seems so "rosie" and why you can't be directed to posts where it's occurred. Wim has banned some people for the most trivial reasons, actually one comes to mind where there was no reason ...a question was asked iirc !! (that person has posted in this topic). Unfortunately there have been countless examples of poor moderation by some, likewise a number of moderators have been of the highest standard. Wim sets the standard....and it's rather low.
In theory sounds good, in practice it's not. You only have to look at the judicial system that applies societies rules (laws) to see that different outcomes are often delivered for the same offense because each is unique. The reality is "across the board" rules with no flexibility are dictatorial by nature.
pengeezer (March 17th, 2016)
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