Originally Posted by
SIR
Originally Posted by
jar
Originally Posted by
SIR
Universal suffrage means universal suffrage; it is not for one or another to decide who or who is not capable of contributing to decision making, therefore, representative democracy is a fallacy, an oxymoron, and an insult.
So you assert. But what evidence is there that that is the case or that universal suffrage is desirable or that unchecked democracy is something worth having?
And what does that have to do with the topic?
You assert a more influential government is a better thing, but history endlessly demonstrates that all government passes thru tyranny to eventual final ruin - build on unsound foundations and failure is your only fate, you will reap what you sow; therefore, control and you will be controlled, deceive and you will be deceived - he who has no theory will find revelation.
Your suggestion is simply backward, one might even say 'retarded'.
I'm sorry but that is just word salad and bumper sticker illiteracy.
I recall comments of yours in another thread suggesting to the effect that if one is not happy with the way things are done in a certain place then one should not dalliance with complaining but should simply find somewhere else to express one's self; perhaps Saudi Arabia would be more to your liking?
Back to your original point regarding mill coins, I agree we should beware of becoming slaves of capital, but you should remember how the army and the police have been oft well utilised in the histories of many first world states in the disruption of labour solidarity and industrial action.
Again, what does that have to do with the topic?
Is there any reason to think that a government with universal suffrage would be any different than any other form of government?
The US today has about as close to universal suffrage as maybe anywhere except perhaps Russia during the Soviets; there was real universal suffrage there. Almost all decisions were made by the local soviets and national soviets. Companies were run by corporate soviets where all the workers got together and decided corporate goals and policies.
Universal suffrage is no panacea or assurance of anything.
Armies and police have certainly disrupted labor even here in the US and in fact, if you listen to some of the rhetoric in the current madness here you can see calls for just such behavior by government.
Remember, in the US there is very nearly universal suffrage. And in the US today there is strong voter support for a Fascist candidate who constantly lies and points to achievements or tyrants and quotes their works. Il Donald may well get elected by the US Universal Suffrage.
Perhaps a better solution than universal suffrage might be universal education in how to think, how to use the techniques of critical analysis, evidence based decision making, accurate history (this thread is even an attempt at that) so that voters can make reasonable and rational choices on how their government should behave.
But before that could happen in the US (and I don't try to change any other nations government of choice) we need to make a few other changes.
We need to add a restriction on suffrage so the corporations are not given suffrage.
We need a National Education Policy.
We need to re-institute the Chinese Wall between News and Editorial and between News/Editorial and Advertising.
I understand that you are a well meaning chuunibyou but your posts show that you really need to learn how to think. May I suggest as a first small step a slim volume called
Language in Thought and Action by S.I. Hayakawa and then a snother short read,
The Authoritarians by Robert Altemeyer and avoid the fantasies by Ayn Rand.
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