Page 2 of 10 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 200

Thread: What should be the goal of education?

  1. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    3,118
    Thanks
    874
    Thanked 2,528 Times in 1,299 Posts
    Rep Power
    13

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    In a democracy, even a representative democracy, how important is it for the voter to be both informed and capable of making critical evidence based decisions?
    Has it ever been the case that voter was thus endowed?
    That is of course simply an irrelevant comment.

    The question was "In a democracy, even a representative democracy, how important is it for the voter to be both informed and capable of making critical evidence based decisions?"

    If I had been standing right in front of you I would have made the exact same comment.


    Q: In a democracy, even a representative democracy, how important is it for the voter to be both informed and capable of making critical evidence based decisions?

    A: I don't know. Has it ever happened? If it has, did it make any difference?


    Is that clearer now?
    Only that the response is still irrelevant.



    My answer to your question is transparent. It is followed by two additional questions whose purpose is to elicit data that may enable me to offer a more informed answer.
    Last edited by Empty_of_Clouds; March 26th, 2016 at 10:49 PM.

  2. #22
    Senior Member bluesea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    the former Territory of Hawaii
    Posts
    492
    Thanks
    361
    Thanked 309 Times in 167 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by RNHC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    In a democracy, even a representative democracy, how important is it for the voter to be both informed and capable of making critical evidence based decisions?
    Has it ever been the case that voter was thus endowed?
    No, as you can see in our governmental structure. Just look at our election process. Why do we still need Electoral College? Admittedly, an average person of that era were probably not educated nor knowledgeable of worldly affairs enough to make an informed decision but is that so different from how it is now?

    The education system has been slowly progressing to educate that "average person" to take up the task, but we have been in a period of regression for at least 25 years. The system is going backwards, in ways that will take decades to reverse if at all.

  3. #23
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2022
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    It seems to me that a student should be interested in gaining knowledge.

  4. #24
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    88
    Thanks
    43
    Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts
    Rep Power
    5

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Some are, others do exactly what they need to graduate and are okay with being ignorant.

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    3,118
    Thanks
    874
    Thanked 2,528 Times in 1,299 Posts
    Rep Power
    13

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?



    I've promoted this speaker a few times. He is dead now, but his message is in my opinion spot on and remains so.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Empty_of_Clouds For This Useful Post:

    dneal (January 13th, 2022)

  7. #26
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2022
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    I think the goal of learning is the same for everyone - it's getting all the necessary knowledge in a particular area. If it concerns the legal field, then the student should be interested in studying new laws, all specific branches of jurisprudence, etc., if it concerns medical school. Then the student should, first of all, find out how to prepare for the med school interview. To successfully pass it and enter the school. This applies to absolutely any school or university. A student or a student should understand that he needs education and is interested in it.

  8. #27
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    5,791
    Thanks
    2,341
    Thanked 2,225 Times in 1,266 Posts
    Rep Power
    16

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post


    I've promoted this speaker a few times. He is dead now, but his message is in my opinion spot on and remains so.
    Indeed. Based on the frequent applause, I suspect there are very few teachers (or perhaps education administrators with advanced degrees in "education") in the audience.

    Thank you for sharing the video.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

  9. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    6,655
    Thanks
    2,026
    Thanked 2,187 Times in 1,417 Posts
    Rep Power
    18

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    "The purpose of education"?

    Compliance. Very few families want me to send home their children more independent of thought, will, belief, and behavior than when they dropped them off in the morning.

    But I try to disappoint in that regard.

  10. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    3,118
    Thanks
    874
    Thanked 2,528 Times in 1,299 Posts
    Rep Power
    13

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Good for you!

    The chap in the video talks a bit about how education systems are about conformity and not individuality.

  11. #30
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    6,655
    Thanks
    2,026
    Thanked 2,187 Times in 1,417 Posts
    Rep Power
    18

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Good for you!

    The chap in the video talks a bit about how education systems are about conformity and not individuality.
    I know that Robinson talk well. We even had it shown to us as part of faculty training.

  12. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    1,603
    Thanks
    133
    Thanked 584 Times in 427 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    "The purpose of education"?

    Compliance. Very few families want me to send home their children more independent of thought, will, belief, and behavior than when they dropped them off in the morning.

    But I try to disappoint in that regard.
    Then you are the first liberal teacher to do that with conservative students.

  13. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    6,655
    Thanks
    2,026
    Thanked 2,187 Times in 1,417 Posts
    Rep Power
    18

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookedj View Post
    Some are, others do exactly what they need to graduate and are okay with being ignorant.
    These generalizations apply equally to adults, no? Just substitute "please an employer" for "graduate" and you pretty well some up most of working life. One would hope that most adults would be interested in learning and growth, but we all know actually what a mixture of motivations and intensities of motivations exists out there.

  14. #33
    Senior Member welch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    1,024
    Thanks
    1,502
    Thanked 510 Times in 344 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Let knowledge grow from more to more; and so be human life enriched.

    That is the original motto of where I started college. The school translated this to Latin, and the Latin version is stuck to all the buildings and publications, but I like the original English.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to welch For This Useful Post:

    TSherbs (January 17th, 2022)

  16. #34
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    3,118
    Thanks
    874
    Thanked 2,528 Times in 1,299 Posts
    Rep Power
    13

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    The motto on my University is Sapere Aude - dare to know.

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Empty_of_Clouds For This Useful Post:

    TSherbs (January 17th, 2022), welch (January 17th, 2022)

  18. #35
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    6,670
    Thanks
    635
    Thanked 896 Times in 688 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    I've quoted her before, our colleges librarian said that education requires rigor. In these times of false, fake, and out right lies, knowing where to look for information can require time, it requires work. We have to go against the grain because people tend to repeat false information unknowingly.

  19. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Chuck Naill For This Useful Post:

    TSherbs (January 17th, 2022), welch (January 17th, 2022)

  20. #36
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    6,655
    Thanks
    2,026
    Thanked 2,187 Times in 1,417 Posts
    Rep Power
    18

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Even the harsh critics of education don't want independent thinking in the young people of America; they want their version of "right thinking." I have yet to meet a parent who would say, "Please have my child learn to think independently of how I think." Especially the fathers. Way too much ego and righteousness involved for us (I am one, too).

    All the rest is posture and fulmination.

  21. #37
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    6,670
    Thanks
    635
    Thanked 896 Times in 688 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    I am reading this morning of the Wannsee Conference to plan "The Final Solution". Ironically these were classically educated including those with doctorates. As we discuss education, education without morals is of little value.

  22. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    6,655
    Thanks
    2,026
    Thanked 2,187 Times in 1,417 Posts
    Rep Power
    18

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    ....education without morals is of little value.
    Most everything without ethics becomes dangerous.

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.


    W.B. Yeats

  23. #39
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    6,670
    Thanks
    635
    Thanked 896 Times in 688 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    It appears Lincolnís center and overarching center was, ďall men created equal ď.

  24. #40
    Senior Member Chip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2021
    Location
    Wyoming
    Posts
    2,132
    Thanks
    98
    Thanked 1,079 Times in 632 Posts
    Rep Power
    5

    Default Re: What should be the goal of education?

    Doesn't it depend on the needs and capacity of the individual?

    For some students, being able to balance a checkbook and fill out an application, along with at least one practical skill (plumbing, carpentry, auto repair) is a good outcome.

    For others, a general knowledge of science, history, and literature, to inform their choices as adults.

    For the strivers, a detailed course in their chosen field, be it law, history, political science, microbiology, math, geology, linguistics, etc. that qualifies them for a career.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •