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    Angry Greg Minuskin Service. NG.

    I’ve heard the horror stories about Greg and admit I found him really blunt and unpleasant to deal with but I mostly was pretty happy with my purchases from him. Not all was roses but the success rate was fairly high. I mostly got good pens from him and occasionally great ones.

    Yes there was the occasionally bafflingly measured nib but mostly you paid (and I mean you paid immediately. holy cow) and got your pen. Once or twice he awarded me a pen and then had to take it back (no apology or admission of error), okay whatever, wires get crossed. So he isn’t perfect, and isn’t pleasant to deal with. But that’s okay, he’s selling me a pen, not marrying into the family.

    I did occasionally get bum pens, two stand out. Both very poorly plugged Sheaffer vac-fils that crapped out quickly. I subsequently restored them elsewhere (a story for another day/post).

    Truth be told I got about 15 pens total from him over the last 4 years or so and was happy with most of them. A couple are amongst my best pens and I think his stub grinds are very good indeed and I know that he hacks the feeds sometimes to adjust for flow, so you usually end up with a nice nib cut and good juicy ink flow. He isn’t a pen restore person, he’s a nib tech, so yeah. That is the main thing you go to him for. But he does sell pens.

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    So now we come to the present predicament. I bought a Waterman from him. User grade. Some cosmetic issues but a decent price on a pen I always was curious about so I raised my hand. He told me I was second in line. The first person backed out, he did his usual bothersome “waiting for your prompt payment” deal and I paid. The pen came (he ships pretty quickly) and I soaked it some water quickly, rinsed everything out, filled it and was off to the races.

    So issue one:
    It is just a F nib. He advertised it as a .7mm signature (implied stub since that is how that word is always used, but he doesn't say it). It isn't at all it is a round nib. Let's be honest, we all know what happened here. He got one of these in a pile, figured he could flip it. Looked at it for a few minutes, seemed like it was okay, took some pictures and threw it on his site. His listing implies (esp. given the context) that he did nib work on it. He didn't. It is a bone stock F nib. Not stubbed, but re-tipped, not ground.

    Then:
    The pen had ink starvation issues. It wrote great for a paragraph and then dried up. You can prime the feed and all is good again but in a paragraph or two you have to prime the feed again. So that sounded like it was not really clean. Further violet ink was all over my hands. I put blue ink in it and this is that classic old Waterman Violet … at this point I am not sure why it is on my hand but what starts now is 4 days of distilled water and endless violet ink.

    After 4 overnight soaks I let it dry, put it together again, ink up and the same story. Unbelievably there is violet ink all over my hand still and I look and can actually sort of see the ink oozing out of both ends of the section, where the section connects to a brass collar that connects the section w/ the barrel of the pen and at the end of the section where the lacquered brass section meets the collar that holds the nib and feed (This is a Waterman man 100 style pen).

    So very very clearly this pen is leaking. I do not know how to make it not leak, it does not appear to be screw together and despite warm water soak it isn’t an easy friction fit. So I begin to think, yeah I need a pro to look at this. Let me see if Greg can repair it or if it can’t be repaired I can get a credit. Not a refund, a credit. I don't even mention that the listing was misleading, that the nib is not stubbed, and that the pen has ink starvation issues. I mention only that is is leaking.

    The emails that transpire are frankly hard to believe. Passive aggressive, insistent about things he couldn’t possibly know about on my end. Just insane. He claims it is impossible that the pen was not entirely clean and not leaking when he sent it to me. I 100% swears there is no way violet ink is coming out of the pen, impossible he says. Then he says he will not take the pen back but initiate a postal investigation since it is impossible he sent me a messed up pen and if there is a problem it must have happened in transit. He will call the post office and start a claim and postal people will come to my house. I will have to show them the packaging. If the claim is settled in my favor then I must ship the pen back to him and there will be a 15% restocking fee. I live 7000 miles away. The pen was not damaged in shipping in a way that was at all visibly verifiable. The restocking fee and the return shipping are already probably half the value of the pen.

    All of this is to say that Greg will pretty much not take returns. He puts up as many barriers as he can so that you can’t return the pen, disputes you every step of the way, even about things he can’t possible see happening in your house from his. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass if you are a many many time repeat customer, sang his praises all over the net, sent him a written thanks that he then posts to his site (he asks you first, thankfully) he is determined not to take the pen back.

    Really super unhappy. Making it worse is he is pretty much one of only 3 people on the globe who does what he does so I hate to burn bridges.

    I guess I am done. If I buy 10 -15 pens from someone over a period of many years and JUST ONCE get a pen I really feel I need to return, I want to know I am not going to get shit all over.

    So be warned. You buy a pen from Greg, you roll the dice. Mostly, it will work out, but if you get that one in 10, 15 that goes south you are stuck with it. He isn’t taking it back. No matter how good a customer you are.

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    Default Re: Greg Minuskin Service. NG.

    In fairness, You should notify Greg that this post is here so that he can respond if he wishes to do so.

    I wouldn't worry about burning your bridges. I'm fairly sure they'll be a smouldering ruin before the day's out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    In fairness, You should notify Greg that this post is here so that he can respond if he wishes to do so.

    I wouldn't worry about burning your bridges. I'm fairly sure they'll be a smouldering ruin before the day's out.
    Greg claims to not read the internets anymore and not respond.

    I know its a long winded rant but I really do think it is shabby treatment and I really do think that folks buying from him should know that while most sellers will take back an item for repair or credit or even refund, Greg appears to have made it is goal to make returns as forbidding as possible.

    Anyone wants to alert him can. I was very tempted to reproduce his and my emails but I don't know if that is really the right thing to do. I think my post is fair.

    bottom line: buyer beware. Even a fanboi can get stung.

    I still think his stubs are often fantastic. I treasure the ones I have.

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    I still think it's your responsibility to make him aware. It may be that others will take that upon themselves but you cannot know. Just because he has not responded to criticism on previous occasions does not mean that he should not have the chance to do so now.

    It's not that I disbelieve you. I've heard similar stories about Greg innumerable times. One of them was played out on this forum some time ago. My practice is to take back a pen if someone doesn't want it and I pay the return postage. That seems reasonable to me and I don't lose customers that way. The 15% restocking fee is almost unbelievable!

    According to usual net etiquette you can post your own emails but not the other party's without their permission
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    I still think it's your responsibility to make him aware. It may be that others will take that upon themselves but you cannot know. Just because he has not responded to criticism on previous occasions does not mean that he should not have the chance to do so now.
    I am sorry I just don't see it that way. He offers his services to the public and those services are open to public critique. Just like a restaurant serving meals would be. More, why should I then be obligated to interact with him further? Unless someone can convince me that I am ethically bound to do so or it is this forum's policy that I do so, I won't. Besides if it is possible I am blocked anyway.


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    It's not that I disbelieve you.
    I am happy to send you or any other arbitrator or impartial expert the pen in question. I have PVC tubes at the ready (Greg is one of the few dealers I know does not sent in PVC pen tubes). It is an amazing pen actually. The nib is incredible. I had no idea that 70s and 80s Watermans were still that fantastic. Very luxurious feel.

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    What kind of Waterman is it? I'll be happy to assess it for you if it's a type of pen I'm familiar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    What kind of Waterman is it? I'll be happy to assess it for you if it's a type of pen I'm familiar with.
    It is some kind of gaudy poorly plated 80s Waterman Man 100 / 200 / Gentleman type dealio.

    I think it is actually a Man 100 as it is quite large and the nib is glorious. I was shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stub View Post

    I am sorry I just don't see it that way. He offers his services to the public and those services are open to public critique. Just like a restaurant serving meals would be. More, why should I then be obligated to interact with him further? Unless someone can convince me that I am ethically bound to do so or it is this forum's policy that I do so, I won't. Besides if it is possible I am blocked anyway.

    Agree with you 100% on this. You are conscientiously sharing a business transaction that in your opinion and experience has gone bad. Your record shows you to be courteous and fair. Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    What kind of Waterman is it? I'll be happy to assess it for you if it's a type of pen I'm familiar with.
    It is some kind of gaudy poorly plated 80s Waterman Man 100 / 200 / Gentleman type dealio.

    I think it is actually a Man 100 as it is quite large and the nib is glorious. I was shocked.
    I'm not really familiar with that type of pen. Bit too modern for me!
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    My experience is as follows. My tldr is that while he was somewhat annoying to deal with, I was satisfied at the end of the exchange.

    I've purchased one pen from Greg -- a "wet noodle" Wahl. My one complaint with the pen is that he overstates flexibility and calls EVERYTHING a noodle. The pen I received from him was more like semi-flex. Flexed quite a bit, but only with significant pressure. Anyway, I was happy enough with it.

    About a month in, the pen is leaking from the section. Blue ink all over my fingers. I emailed him, he suggested that I should wipe ink of my pen (nope, more ink coming), then that I used bad ink (nope, Sheaffer Skrip), then that my ink had gone bad (nope, have receipt for ink bottle)... Then agreed to do a full refund, even on the initial shipping charges. While our exchange was a little annoying, I was satisfied at the end. (And so was he, he relisted the pen, hopefully after checking the sac, and sold it for $20 more)



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    AFAIK policy here is that the board contacts the dealer in any case; "Remember, customers have a reputation among restorers just like restorers have a reputation among customers. When you leave negative comments about a company or person they will be contacted and given a chance to respond." [emphasis added]

    Maybe Eric can let us know if this is still in effect since Dan left.
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    Being that this is a post regarding Mr. Minuskin's service As well as his character, I would like to just include my experience too.
    I found my grail nib being sold online yesterday on a certain site. I hesitated buying it because it was not in prime condition at all, but having Mr. Minuskin in mind, I emailed
    him pictures of the nib being sold and asked for his professional opinion.

    Of course he could fix it! But, when I asked if After his repair the nib could flex as it was originally meant to before it was damaged, he said No.
    He could very well have said Sure! Buy it and send it to me and I will fix it for X amount of money - But he was Honest and Professional even though it meant that he would not be adding another job to his queue.

    He has been a valuable resource to me a few times now and yesterday I really appreciated his expertise and help he did not have to be.

    Stub, I feel bad that this sale went sour for you, but I have bought from trusted people before and received less than stellar pens/nibs. Even the professionals aren't perfect
    all the time and get things wrong. I hope you can find someone to fix this one, it sounds like a beauty and well worth the cost to repair.

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    To be sure I have had good experiences with Greg too.

    & To be clear I have bought a dozen or more pens from Greg so my sample size is not 2 or 3 pens and not even for a second is his craftsmanship here in dispute, for nib re-tipping and repair he is almost entirely without peer and his nib grinding is excellent in my experience.

    He is absolutely top shelf as a nib tech.

    What is being critiqued here is the after service and his return policy and his overall customer service. I have bought many pens from him and been a loyal trouble free customer for years. You would think the response would be “ hey, seems you are having issues with that last pen we sent you. Look, just send it back and we will get you sorted out. We can look at the pen and if we can repair that we will, if there is some structural flaw that can’t be addressed we can give you dibs on what we have coming through the que, give you credit or even issue a refund if need be. But we want to get you a working trouble free writing instrument.” Or even an inquisitive process of "tell me what you see... can you take a picture of x, how did the package look when it arrived, what happens when you do x, try y and get back to me .... " Try hard to give a crap whether or not your customer is having issues. Maybe given that the customer can rattle off a dozen pens off the top of his head that he bought from you and seems not entirely to be a noob to consider than context as well.

    He put up all manner of impediments to return. Most bothersome was his insistence was that it was 100% impossible that the pen was sent out with any issues and the implication that I was either dumb, or dishonest or both. It is possible the pen was fine when it was sent out but was damaged in shipping (unlikely but possible that the vibrations set the pen to leaking) but my experience leads me to believes that it is possible that the pen was insufficiently vetted for sale or that given his volume of work the pen just did not exhibit clear symptoms while in his possession. That happens with pens. Especially old second hand pens and especially at the volume of pens that he deals with.

    In short he will sell you pens and you will very likely get a good one, but if you don’t, he doesn’t really want to hear about it. The customer is always wrong and he is going to do his very best to make sure you do not return a pen.

    Yesterday I dealt with another famous and respected pen person. This person said to me roughly: "I like selling things but I want to try and make sure they suit the buyer.” Crazy right?

    Greg, seemingly just wants to sell you things and he doesn’t want to hear it if there are any problems after (though he is wonderfully chatty if your after sales interaction consists of praise).

    When you sell used vintage items and you sell at that volume some bad apples are going to slip through, some tender old pens will be at the precipice of failure, some issues will emerge only after a careful more prolonged exposure. That is the nature of selling well used generations old items. You have to have some manner of grace and reasonable return policies and you can't always assume you never miss something and the user is always a dolt and the customer is always wrong. Some small part of doing this kind of retail work is customer service. I find his lacking and now am led to believe that if I buy a pen and have issues with it after delivery, I am not going to get any help or consideration or reasonableness.
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    Leaking somewhere where the brass threaded collar connects with the section. The violet ink he said was impossible now mixed with blue.

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    Also leaking where the black meets the gold here.

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    Sorry but that is not POSTAL DAMAGE. It is just a leaky pen pure and simple. Not my fault, not your fault, not the postman's fault. Just the nature of the beast. Waterman pens, NOT EXACTLY KNOWN AS BULLETPROOF. Used 80s Waterman pens, even less robust.

    Shit happens with old pens. Why must if be user error or PO negligence? Couldn't it just be that it is an old pen, pretty frail to begin with that exhibited bad behavior only after shipment, and being put into use? Is that really so unreasonable and hard to believe?

    So now i am made to feel like a jerk, stuck with a bad pen and probably black listed by one of only 3 nib re-tippers on planet earth just because I had the misfortune of receiving one leaky Waterman and having the nerve to ask for a repair or credit? (I did not ask for my money back).

    BS. That is crap treatment for a loyal customer.

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    I really hope we see a happy ending for this. This has to be an easy fix for someone out there that thrives on perplexing problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I really hope we see a happy ending for this. This has to be an easy fix for someone out there that thrives on perplexing problems.
    Thank you. Though I doubt it. Not a lot of hope based on my last few exchanges.

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    It would be crappy to have to pay up again for someone to fix this, but at least it would be resolved. I could see someone like Ron Zorn ( probably still backed up in his queue! ) figuring this out.
    I still say it is worth looking into. I want to see this pen in another subforum, maybe Pen Reviews, working properly and providing an awesome writing sample!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stub View Post
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    Greg claims to not read the internets anymore and not respond.
    Mr. Minuskin has taken the time to post about one of his nib repairs on FPN today.
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