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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Are you trying to say none of that is self-evident, or obvious?
    "None"? Of course not. But not all, and not maybe to the degree with which you are proposing. You come across with your proposal as if there is literally no room for disagreement or alternative viewpoints, and that one must agree in whole. You apply the term self-evident across the board, and yet it is still only your judgement, your opinion.

    I happen to think it is self-evident that we have just elected a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic cretin for president, based on all available evidence, but I am very well aware that not all people view it that way, both in degree and in totality. It matters not that - to me - it is as plain as day. But I already had a post about how I am aware of the leans and biases in various news sources and how I deal with it, it is just that I don't necessarily expect that it is, in some fashion, so blindingly obvious that everyone will immediately agree with my stance, as well.
    "When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
    and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Are you trying to say none of that is self-evident, or obvious?
    "None"? Of course not. But not all, and not maybe to the degree with which you are proposing. You come across with your proposal as if there is literally no room for disagreement or alternative viewpoints, and that one must agree in whole. You apply the term self-evident across the board, and yet it is still only your judgement, your opinion.

    I happen to think it is self-evident that we have just elected a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic cretin for president, based on all available evidence, but I am very well aware that not all people view it that way, both in degree and in totality. It matters not that - to me - it is as plain as day. But I already had a post about how I am aware of the leans and biases in various news sources and how I deal with it, it is just that I don't necessarily expect that it is, in some fashion, so blindingly obvious that everyone will immediately agree with my stance, as well.
    Honestly, I've gone back and re-looked my posts and I just don't see that I'm being absolute in my posts. I realize that "tone" doesn't come across in a written format, and I've tried to include "I think" and "IMHO" to say exactly that it's just my opinion. Can we have a discussion on opinions without trying to turn it into an argument that needs won?

    Maybe it's still too early for those whose disappointment with the results, or fear for the future still weighs heavily. I'm just not emotionally involved with the result.

    Anyway, here's a paraphrasing of another favorite Twain quote that is perhaps relevant.

    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's [political view] is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    ...stop misrepresenting my posts.
    I never have.

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    As a pacifist, I felt the most disgust immediately after the primaries, when both parties selected candidates holding similar beliefs about using drones (around 30 people are killed per week and there are usually civilian victims). The last president who ran as an isolationist was over 100 years ago. Oh how we have progressed...
    "Love is the final fight."

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    Just for fun: I recently wrote a mini tone poem whose programme is abstracted from the 2016 election. Give it a listen here: https://soundcloud.com/will-platt-2/...for-piano-trio
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    ...stop misrepresenting my posts.
    I never have.

    Fred
    Sure you have.

    In the 2nd amendment thread, you took my post, then you truncated it and created a straw man to then argue that a reiteration was a tautology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    ...stop misrepresenting my posts.
    I never have.

    Fred
    Sure you have.

    In the 2nd amendment thread, you took my post, then you truncated it and created a straw man to then argue that a reiteration was a tautology.
    Fairdinkum....
    Last edited by HughC; December 19th, 2016 at 02:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    Interesting Times. May we live through them.
    I hope so, because I really want to see what happens next.

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    Variety newspaper wrote: "Like many newspapers, the Scottish Sunday Herald included Donald Trump’s inauguration in its TV listings for the week. But, as noticed by social media users on Sunday morning, it did so in a, well, unconventional way."



    Fred

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    That's funny, right there.

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