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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    For those who believe it should be all wide open on the basis of protecting others, just remember this example of when netiquette is ignored. Experience still supports the premise: Don't crap in other's classified listings. This applies to price policing and payment method policing. Absent of fraud, the terms of the deal are between the seller and the buyer.

    (Of course, if you are the buyer, by all means, then insist on a lower price, or on PayPal Goods and Services, or on fully insured shipping, or any other terms you want in your deal. But do it by PM, not in the seller's thread.)
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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    When you contact a seller, please don't post "PM sent" in classified threads. That doesn't help communication, and can confuse other geeks as to whether you've actually agreed to buy the item, taking it off the market.

    I am confident that no sellers will recognize claims of "dibs" in FPGeeks, PM sent or not.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    For those who believe it should be all wide open on the basis of protecting others, just remember this example of when netiquette is ignored. Experience still supports the premise: Don't crap in other's classified listings. This applies to price policing and payment method policing. Absent of fraud, the terms of the deal are between the seller and the buyer.

    (Of course, if you are the buyer, by all means, then insist on a lower price, or on PayPal Goods and Services, or on fully insured shipping, or any other terms you want in your deal. But do it by PM, not in the seller's thread.)
    <sigh!> https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post258042

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    For those who believe it should be all wide open on the basis of protecting others, just remember this example of when netiquette is ignored. Experience still supports the premise: Don't crap in other's classified listings. This applies to price policing and payment method policing. Absent of fraud, the terms of the deal are between the seller and the buyer.

    (Of course, if you are the buyer, by all means, then insist on a lower price, or on PayPal Goods and Services, or on fully insured shipping, or any other terms you want in your deal. But do it by PM, not in the seller's thread.)
    <sigh!> https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post258042
    I saw this too.
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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    For those who believe it should be all wide open on the basis of protecting others, just remember this example of when netiquette is ignored. Experience still supports the premise: Don't crap in other's classified listings. This applies to price policing and payment method policing. Absent of fraud, the terms of the deal are between the seller and the buyer.

    (Of course, if you are the buyer, by all means, then insist on a lower price, or on PayPal Goods and Services, or on fully insured shipping, or any other terms you want in your deal. But do it by PM, not in the seller's thread.)
    <sigh!> https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post258042
    Just FYI, I did contact this guy when that listing was made, to buy the pen. This was initially listed at $800+.
    So kindly do not speak when you don't know anything. It's a regular M800, that usually sells for 360/$400. And used ones should be lower.

    And please put a title on whatever pm you send. I am not able to open it.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    Just FYI, I did contact this guy when that listing was made, to buy the pen. This was initially listed at $800+.
    It's a regular M800, that usually sells for 360/$400. And used ones should be lower.

    And please put a title on whatever pm you send. I am not able to open it.
    The point is, it's very poor netiquette to crap in another's For Sale thread because you want to police prices. Perhaps you are upset that the seller doesn't accept your offers, but that's still not a good reason to crap in his thread. And who are you to tell others what the value of the pen shall be to them? It hasn't sold for a year; the market is determining the selling price quite well.

    If you really feel you must vent about it, just start a thread in the Pelikan subform for discussion of going prices for new and used Pelikan M800s without attacking your fellow Geeks' For sale listings.

    As for the blank PM, that's vBulletin's doing, and it's not the first time.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    The point is, it's very poor netiquette to crap in another's For Sale thread because you want to police prices. Perhaps you are upset that the seller doesn't accept your offers, but that's still not a good reason to crap in his thread. And who are you to tell others what the value of the pen shall be to them? It hasn't sold for a year; the market is determining the selling price quite well.

    If you really feel you must vent about it, just start a thread in the Pelikan subform for discussion of going prices for new and used Pelikan M800s without attacking your fellow Geeks' For sale listings.

    As for the blank PM, that's vBulletin's doing, and it's not the first time.
    I could say the same thing to you: what business do you have in saying this unless you are one of the transacting parties, or the forum moderator?

    No issues about the pm. I converted the entire mailbox to text and was able to read it. Can't reply to it though.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    [QUOTE=Dhruv;258135
    what business do you have in saying this unless you are...the forum moderator?
    [/QUOTE]


    No, because if he were (or there was indeed a participating moderator) the post would have simply been removed.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    The point is, it's very poor netiquette to crap in another's For Sale thread because you want to police prices. Perhaps you are upset that the seller doesn't accept your offers, but that's still not a good reason to crap in his thread. And who are you to tell others what the value of the pen shall be to them? It hasn't sold for a year; the market is determining the selling price quite well.

    If you really feel you must vent about it, just start a thread in the Pelikan subform for discussion of going prices for new and used Pelikan M800s without attacking your fellow Geeks' For sale listings.

    As for the blank PM, that's vBulletin's doing, and it's not the first time.
    I could say the same thing to you: what business do you have in saying this unless you are one of the transacting parties, or the forum moderator?

    No issues about the pm. I converted the entire mailbox to text and was able to read it. Can't reply to it though.
    If you have been participating in this forum (not just shopping the For Sale section), then you'd notice that the owner of this forum does not assign active moderator. So the forum etiquette moderation is left for those who care enough to voluntarily step up once in a while.

    Fred has been one of those members and I for one appreciate that extra effort that he wasn't required to give at all.

    Your response to his prompting is confrontative, and that's also not cool. Can we not resolve an issue with reasoning instead of arguments?
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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    I could say the same thing to you: what business do you have in saying this unless you are one of the transacting parties, or the forum moderator?
    I believe this is precisely the issue. If you had sent the seller a PM with your objections regarding the pen's price then this business would be limited to the transacting parties. But the moment you posted a public comment in this forum then it becomes everybody's business.

    I also believe that no one is questioning your opinions (founded or not) as to the pen's price. You have every right to object a price, haggle and make any offer you choose. But in the future please do it privately. And let's be nice with each other...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post

    I believe this is precisely the issue. If you had sent the seller a PM with your objections regarding the pen's price then this business would be limited to the transacting parties. But the moment you posted a public comment in this forum then it becomes everybody's business.

    I also believe that no one is questioning your opinions (founded or not) as to the pen's price. You have every right to object a price, haggle and make any offer you choose. But in the future please do it privately. And let's be nice with each other...
    I will skip replying to 3 different members separately, hope that's fine.
    I never objected to his price, not in public, neither privately. Neither do I haggle, irrespective of where I am buying from. I either agree with the price or I disagree with it. I will only ask once what the price is, and leave it at that. I never objected to his price on pm either, I asked once is he willing to price this like a normal M800 instead of some random markup, he declined, and I left it at that saying "not interested then". And another message from him after that which I did not respond to.
    Neither did I do that on the listing. I only mentioned how much I finally got it for.

    As for it being everybody's business: I politely disagree. I don't go around stopping street fights. I firmly believe in minding my own business irrespective of what anyone else thinks. As long as it doesn't pertain to me, no need for me to butt in.

    I apologise if I came across as not being nice with other posters/members here. Wasn't my intention.

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    Default Re: Classified etiquette

    I just bought the exact same one with EF nib... for less than $400...
    The post in question. That is public. That is objecting to the price, or at least making them aware that you have paid less for one.

    Minding your own business is not commenting at all and just moving on.

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    I also think that the post in selling thread was a bad idea in that case.
    Imo it would be different if you see an offer of something still in production ridiculously overpriced, but these pens are out of production and the market regulates the price.
    And these pens go up in price, if you like it or not is another question.
    If you were able to shoot one of them for less than 400, great but this does not allow you to spoil another ones thread.

    Side note, if you need a second one you should take a look at one which is currently offered on ebay for 775$ plus about 50$ shipping.

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Pelikan-FH-M...UAAOSw4jxb5~01


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    I am trying to think what could be the motive of posting a negative comment on someone's classified page. I once had a question on a classified, I thought that the seller had made a mistake or had not made a defect sufficiently clear. I asked the seller a question by PM and they gave a 100% reassurance as to the correctness of the sale, and all was good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzJon View Post
    I just bought the exact same one with EF nib... for less than $400...
    The post in question. That is public. That is objecting to the price, or at least making them aware that you have paid less for one.

    Minding your own business is not commenting at all and just moving on.
    Okay now I am slightly annoyed. Making them aware, yes, I did that. So?

    And please keep your minding your own business comments to yourself. I at least contacted the seller to buy the pen, you lot weren't even in the picture. At most this is kangaroo type court justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    I also think that the post in selling thread was a bad idea in that case.
    Imo it would be different if you see an offer of something still in production ridiculously overpriced, but these pens are out of production and the market regulates the price.
    And these pens go up in price, if you like it or not is another question.
    If you were able to shoot one of them for less than 400, great but this does not allow you to spoil another ones thread.

    Side note, if you need a second one you should take a look at one which is currently offered on ebay for 775$ plus about 50$ shipping.

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Pelikan-FH-M...UAAOSw4jxb5~01

    This was my second one. I already have a 3B M800 red stripe. Don't like the nib though. Too broad.

    Edit: which is why I was looking for a finer nib. I don't keep nib units around. Full pens only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AzJon View Post
    I just bought the exact same one with EF nib... for less than $400...
    The post in question. That is public. That is objecting to the price, or at least making them aware that you have paid less for one.

    Minding your own business is not commenting at all and just moving on.
    Okay now I am slightly annoyed. Making them aware, yes, I did that. So?

    And please keep your minding your own business comments to yourself. I at least contacted the seller to buy the pen, you lot weren't even in the picture. At most this is kangaroo type court justice.
    If it is a kangaroo court then the only conclusion that a reasonable person could jump to was that your comment was meant to be malevolent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bzzer View Post

    If it is a kangaroo court then the only conclusion that a reasonable person could jump to was that your comment was meant to be malevolent.
    Suppose that it was malevolent, so? It is between me and the seller. Who are you to say anything?
    Also, did I say anything to you? So what's your problem?

    Mind your own business. If something does not concern you, stay out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    Mind your own business. If something does not concern you, stay out of it.
    Absent a concerned and involved administrator, it has been left up to the community to address issues such as this in an open discussion. While we may not be able to take action in any immediate way, we can attempt to contact the owner and make them aware of any problematic issues that have occured. In a very significant way, it is our business, and it does concern us, especially when someone is being a dickish lout for no reason at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhruv View Post
    Suppose that it was malevolent, so?....
    Well, at least that's settled. And here I naively thought it was just a lack of courtesy.

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