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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I like that idea but I don't use it that much, so it does not affect me. (Classifieds)

    On reviews, I post the entire review and one picture. I reserve the rest of my pictures for my blog. I am already in contact with watch_art to help me update my reviews since I have moved the blog.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbb View Post
    I'm hoping FPN raises the selling limit for inexpensive items. I like to sell little things in the $3-$20 range for diversion and a bit of pocket money.... buy if I can only list 24 items a year it would make that less tempting. Anyway, all the changes the other day are what got me to finally sign up here.
    An d welcome aboard. ^^

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyIvan View Post
    I like that idea but I don't use it that much, so it does not affect me. (Classifieds)

    On reviews, I post the entire review and one picture. I reserve the rest of my pictures for my blog. I am already in contact with watch_art to help me update my reviews since I have moved the blog.
    You know a lot of folk won't follow a link to a blog or a video.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    You know a lot of folk won't follow a link to a blog or a video.
    Yes, I do. That's why I post the full review and not just a summary like FPN says I can do. Most of my traffic comes from other bloggers web sites.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I think it really comes down to the fact that FPN is very expensive to run and there are a lot of people that freeload off of it in the classifieds area or by posting links to a "blog" that is tied to a retail venture. Their rules probably have some unintended consequences and I'm guessing the forum is down right now, not for "maintenance" but to slow the onslaught of negative posts while they tweak the rules.

    It is probably MUCH more expensive than the average person knows. I run my own hobby forum that is MUCH MUCH smaller than FPN (think 50-60 active users compared to FPN that has several thousand that log in every day) and even it gets expensive. Forums are resource intensive. Every time you open a thread multiple queries are made to the back end database to pull each post, user profile information, avatars, signatures, images, etc.

    In my years I've seen many forums go down because they actually got too popular. It gets too expensive for the owner and they either close it, or they start implementing rules that seem crazy to the average user because they don't understand how the forum works on the back and or what the costs are.

    I empathize a lot with FPN right now.

    That said, what is going on over there is one of the reasons I finally registered here as well.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I have long wanted to operate my own forum. Something like facebook, for friends, but semi-private.

    Someone quoted a figure of $25K/year to run and maintain FPN.

    Can this be true? If so, that puts forum operation far beyond my means.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    You can run a forum for considerably less but it would still cost hundreds of dollars a year.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I strongly suspect that $25K is a good less than the cost of running a forum like FPN. Software licensing could be more than that.

    That said, If I wanted to sell off my collection in their classifieds, it would take a long time in their classifieds, so I got the impression they were trying to gaff a lot of members for the price of "premium" memberships.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    A typical selling fee (like at Etsy.com for example) is 3% so $90.00 per year at FPN works out to $3000.00 per year in sales. The $180.00 membership is for $6000.00 in sales. Granted Esty also has a 20 listing fee -- but they have millions of members too. Anyway after doing the math the fees seem high at FPN and they're in advance of any sales.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    I think a off the top per sale fee when a transaction is completed would be more feasible and acceptable to board members. They do have to contend with the board software which is probably not that flexible when it comes to modifications. I never used IP.Board so I am not real sure. I have used VBulletin and phpBB (moderator and admin). Of the two phpBB is open source and you could get into the inner workings pretty easily. I do not know if the sales and a per transaction fee would be enough to pay the bills.

    @Sailor - running your own board can be free, especially if your audience is small. I used to run one for our gaming clan and never paid a dime. Search for "free forum hosting" and several services should come up. You can make it as public or private as you want. You will have to contend with advertising for a free board. Most of them run on phpBB forum software.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    What about comparing to fleabay?

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyIvan View Post
    I think a off the top per sale fee when a transaction is completed would be more feasible and acceptable to board members. They do have to contend with the board software which is probably not that flexible when it comes to modifications. I never used IP.Board so I am not real sure. I have used VBulletin and phpBB (moderator and admin). Of the two phpBB is open source and you could get into the inner workings pretty easily. I do not know if the sales and a per transaction fee would be enough to pay the bills.

    @Sailor - running your own board can be free, especially if your audience is small. I used to run one for our gaming clan and never paid a dime. Search for "free forum hosting" and several services should come up. You can make it as public or private as you want. You will have to contend with advertising for a free board. Most of them run on phpBB forum software.
    Thanks, KI...I think I should have used the Quote button for my fleabay question.

    I'd be willing to pay for my own forum... Just not 25k/year. If I can get free, I can probably get lower cost sans ads. Or could I?

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Thanks, KI...I think I should have used the Quote button for my fleabay question.

    I'd be willing to pay for my own forum... Just not 25k/year. If I can get free, I can probably get lower cost sans ads. Or could I?
    There are different services and yes, lower cost options are also available but I am not totally up on what is offered these days.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    If you are serious, PM me and I'll quote you some figures. My forum is larger than "private" or even semi-private but much, much smaller than FPN.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyIvan View Post
    I think a off the top per sale fee when a transaction is completed would be more feasible and acceptable to board members.
    I was wondering why they never did this, and just left the marketplace to be "free" before these changes happened.
    I thought that perhaps it would put the forum into a position of responsibility it didn't want nor have to take if something went awry with the transaction. By not charging anyone a commission like ebay and pretty much having the attitude of "you can advertise and trade here freely, but don't expect restitution from us if things go sour" then they could keep the forum out of any legal unpleasantness.

    I wonder, if that was the case, how this will be managed in the current system?

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    On a related note, has the board been "offline" for everyone today?

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    You know a lot of folk won't follow a link to a blog or a video.
    Isn't that a sad fact?
    It's amazing how lazy people can really be, even when all they have to do is twitch a finger every so often. "Oh a link?!" *sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Speaker View Post
    Isn't that a sad fact?
    It's amazing how lazy people can really be, even when all they have to do is twitch a finger every so often. "Oh a link?!" *sigh
    It's not a matter of being lazy, it is that blogs or videos simply bore me.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    It's not a matter of being lazy, it is that blogs or videos simply bore me.
    Or give you viruses.

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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Or give you viruses.
    I'm pretty well protected against viruses, just find blogs and videos a pretty inefficient way to convey information.
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    Default Re: What is up with FPN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Speaker View Post
    Isn't that a sad fact?
    It's amazing how lazy people can really be, even when all they have to do is twitch a finger every so often. "Oh a link?!" *sigh
    yeah, only the supremely lazy fail to click on every link that presents itself.

    I know, I'm a professional link clicker.

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