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    Default Re: Parker 61 Capillary nib section strip down

    I've seen adapters available on eBay for conversion of Parker 61 pens. It's basically the metal part with two screw threads on it that needs replacing with a black plastic version. I don't remember how much they were but it wasn't a hefty price tag.

    My problem with Parker 61 pens is that the arrow can tend to come off in an ultrasonic bath and they are impossible to replace as perfectly as they were originally placed on, apparently with no adhesive.

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    Interesting you mention that ebay seller and his P61 adapters ( Says he has two - one conversion unit and another replacement ).

    I have encountered him.

    Talks alot about being a big international supplier, says he is a retired engineer.

    I asked him to tell me the first names of any one of the big 6 UK pen restorers he had supplied to.

    The silence was deafening.

    Enough said.

    ( Do I know all their first names - Yes )


    nb - have used my Ultrasonic unit to clean 4 x P61 hoods - never had one even slight effected.

    Read alot about replacing a P61 arrow - you have to use a very small amount of shellac adhesive and have a very precise hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Read alot about replacing a P61 arrow - you have to use a very small amount of shellac adhesive and have a very precise hand.
    I have a very precise hand and I still found it impossible. I've seen some replaced ones and they have never been anywhere near to perfect. Perfection would be what I would require. Shellac would surely mean it would come off next time it went in the Ultrasonic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Read alot about replacing a P61 arrow - you have to use a very small amount of shellac adhesive and have a very precise hand.
    I have a very precise hand and I still found it impossible. I've seen some replaced ones and they have never been anywhere near to perfect. Perfection would be what I would require. Shellac would surely mean it would come off next time it went in the Ultrasonic?
    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    I asked him to tell me the first names of any one of the big 6 UK pen restorers he had supplied to.
    Who are the big six pen restorers in the UK?

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    A great many thanks for your replies.

    I will comment on the following in this fashion if I may.

    I have a very precise hand and I still found it impossible. I've seen some replaced ones and they have never been anywhere near to perfect. Perfection would be what I would require. Shellac would surely mean it would come off next time it went in the Ultrasonic?

    Firstly you have to have an original P61 arrow.
    Shellac ( not sure what form you would wish to use )
    It is a perfect seal – not affected by an ultrasonic bath at all.
    I have assumed you have offer up to a perfectly clean arrow insert


    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.


    Wise words, I never thought of that – clever application with the tooth pick.
    In my humble opinion I am sure it will work perfectly


    Who are the big six pen restorers in the UK?

    Two are very easy to find if you use the net to look :

    Peter is a prickly chap, not greedy but just not precise enough for me. ( seen his work )

    I will not name this chap ( he is very private ) runs a pen business in London and has diversified his business alot, possibly not for the best.

    Another is an ebay seller, his name is Barry, lives in Kent

    The other 3 are never visible – you have to have been about for at least 20 years collecting Parker pens in the UK to know who they are.

    I have never used any pen restorer ever, only because I have only ever collected NOS or Mint, there was never a need to.

    So how do I know of these UK restorers ?

    Just do, I would like to leave it at that if I may.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post

    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.
    I tried that. My arrow would not go into the recess, no way, no how. It just wanted to sit on top of it. I didn't consider it good enough.
    I think Parker used some sort of a mould that squished the sides and the end in slightly, then placed it in the recess and let it go so that it grabs all around it. I couldn't reproduce that, and therefore couldn't make it perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Who are the big six pen restorers in the UK?

    Two are very easy to find if you use the net to look :

    Peter is a prickly chap, not greedy but just not precise enough for me. ( seen his work )

    I will not name this chap ( he is very private ) runs a pen business in London and has diversified his business alot, possibly not for the best.

    Another is an ebay seller, his name is Barry, lives in Kent

    The other 3 are never visible – you have to have been about for at least 20 years collecting Parker pens in the UK to know who they are.

    I have never used any pen restorer ever, only because I have only ever collected NOS or Mint, there was never a need to.

    So how do I know of these UK restorers ?

    Just do, I would like to leave it at that if I may.
    You know I should have bet money on a reply like that. I swear the majority of FP artisans in the UK must be under witness protection or something, they're so damn publicity shy...

    So just out of interest, how d'you know the Ebay seller wasn't also protecting these folks' identities? I mean, how would he know you weren't fishing like I was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
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    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.
    I tried that. My arrow would not go into the recess, no way, no how. It just wanted to sit on top of it. I didn't consider it good enough.
    I think Parker used some sort of a mould that squished the sides and the end in slightly, then placed it in the recess and let it go so that it grabs all around it. I couldn't reproduce that, and therefore couldn't make it perfect.
    The hood was shrunk.

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    Chrissy,

    Can you tell me please what hood ( Mk 1 , 2 or 3 ) you wish the arrow to.

    It is arrow gold or silver

    Are 100% sure the arrow is the same as the hood ? ( Mk I 2 3 )

    They vary.

    Have another look at the arrow edges again at 10x mag - is it very very slightly lipped or totally flat.

    ( Have taken for granted it is perfect )

    Photography please of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post

    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.
    I tried that. My arrow would not go into the recess, no way, no how. It just wanted to sit on top of it. I didn't consider it good enough.
    I think Parker used some sort of a mould that squished the sides and the end in slightly, then placed it in the recess and let it go so that it grabs all around it. I couldn't reproduce that, and therefore couldn't make it perfect.
    Chrissy, I agree. I have had the same luck as you. If one looks closely, one can see the sides and end squished near the surface of thechood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post

    Use a single dot of 24 hour epoxy placed with a tooth pick in the recess push on the arrow and walk away.

    Other option is to use a heat activated cement though that can be messy.
    I tried that. My arrow would not go into the recess, no way, no how. It just wanted to sit on top of it. I didn't consider it good enough.
    I think Parker used some sort of a mould that squished the sides and the end in slightly, then placed it in the recess and let it go so that it grabs all around it. I couldn't reproduce that, and therefore couldn't make it perfect.
    The hood was shrunk.
    Either that or the arrow was too big. The hood was fine on the pen and inside the cap. I gave up and sold it on eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Chrissy,

    Can you tell me please what hood ( Mk 1 , 2 or 3 ) you wish the arrow to.

    It is arrow gold or silver

    Are 100% sure the arrow is the same as the hood ? ( Mk I 2 3 )

    They vary.

    Have another look at the arrow edges again at 10x mag - is it very very slightly lipped or totally flat.

    ( Have taken for granted it is perfect )

    Photography please of both.
    I no longer have the pen, and I don't know enough about Parker 61 pens. I remember it had a capillary filler and it was turquoise with a rainbow cap. The original arrow would have been gold, but someone kindly sent me one for free, that was steel. Maybe that was the problem. That arrow was never going to fit into that insert. So I gave up and sold it without an arrow.

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    Chrissy,

    Sad to hear you gave up on it all.

    I know how frustating pens can be.
    Spent alot of time collecting.

    When I was your age ( 23 ) I too just wanted a solution and if it was not there I would always walk away.

    Now that I am very old, stupid and stubborn - I never give up on anything ever.

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    Just re read this post of mine.

    Have moved on a little since.

    I used this post as a vehicle to get an introduction to someone I wanted to meet ( at the time 2000+ views, that which was my target )

    In late October 2017 I had a chance to spend a few days with possibly the best Parker pen restorer in the UK, some would say the world

    It was an unusual encounter - like going back in time 40 years.

    Can post more if anyone is interested
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    I would be interested, thank you. Joseph.

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    I have a Parker 61 capillary here in lovely condition that doesn't work. It has been in the US cleaner soaked flushed with water and ammonia solution and it still doesn't bloody-well work. I hate it!

    It fills beautifully if a rubber bulb be used on the end of the capillary unit - holds lots of ink that way, so clearly there is no blockage but the capillary system picks up only a few drops.

    I hate it!

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    Cob,

    Sorry for the delayed reply.

    The short answer is - Your feed is broken ( snapped in half )

    If you wish to repair it into a working pen, simply replace the feed with a working one.

    ( No one uses an ammonia solution anymore, it was never necessary, warm tap water is just fine )
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Cob,

    Sorry for the delayed reply.

    The short answer is - Your feed is broken ( snapped in half )

    If you wish to repair it into a working pen, simply replace the feed with a working one.

    ( No one uses an ammonia solution anymore, it was never necessary, warm tap water is just fine )
    Thank you for your reply and for the helpful exploded photo.

    Well I use ammonia - essential for the old pens I work on with forty years+ of encrusted ink on nibs & feeds. essential.

    Turning to the awful Parker 61: I don't understand; how can an internal part be "snapped" when the pen is in perfect condition? Worse I now have two more of these things, "De luxe" ones, this time both missing their arrows. Believe me I did not buy these deliberately, they came with others in an auction lot. One of them after flushing, is the same as the first - doesn't work; the second is practically fully blocked and is headed for the ammonia, as an hour in the US cleaner and numerous attempts at flushing have had no effect.

    I am most underwhelmed by the 61: as far as I am concerned, it is another Parker dud - like the accursed Vacumatic, another horrible design! As an off-topic aside, if PArker wanted to make a bulb filler (which is what the Vac is) they should have looked at National Security's Auto-Tank or the lovely Waterman's Ink-Vue, both superior applications of the same principle.

    I feel that most likely I shall put the three of them up on ebay as spares or repair since I have wasted more than enough time on the beastly things. They are all in lovely condition otherwise, apart from two missing arrows - another dud feature!

    In closing, I would add that I think Parker's development of this system was resourceful and clever; just impractical. The fact that Parker gave up and produced Aerometric 61s speaks volumes as far as I am concerned. They had produced a pen that was supposed to be very simple to use but which clearly required a lot of maintenance which to my mind lacked understanding of the market.

    Best wishes and thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Chrissy,

    Sad to hear you gave up on it all.

    I know how frustating pens can be.
    Spent alot of time collecting.

    When I was your age ( 23 ) I too just wanted a solution and if it was not there I would always walk away.

    Now that I am very old, stupid and stubborn - I never give up on anything ever.
    I just came back to this thread and almost fell off of my chair when I read this reply. Actually, I was 23 once, but I'm so old now that I can't remember it.

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