Parker Mk III Pencil - 51 or 61/65

[proteus]

Pre vagor if I may

As I am new here I am very conscious of ‘ hogging ‘ this forum section

Have at least 2 or 3 more questions I would wish to ask, I was hoping I could just fill in amongst the other posts.
That does not appear to be possible at present.

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I bought this pencil a few days ago.

It was in the fashion presented.

The pencil cap is marked :

Halo PARKER RG Shield MADE IN ENGLAND

Both shells are perfect NOS

I have two questions to ask the assembled please.

Is it a post 1969 P51 MkIII or a P61/65 MkIII

From my research notes and books I am beginning to think Parker sold this pencil in both in sets - 51 & 61/65.
My reasoning is the outer case sleeve is only marked ‘ Insignia Pencil ‘ the box is the usual Early 1970’s Parker black plastic case with brown interior.
I have no doubt whatsoever this pen was bought exactly as I have mentioned.

My next question is if you look at the photography of a P45 CT pencil the cap is identical and fits on the gold pencil.
( I have broken the blue one down to look at the construction of it )
The problem is that this gold pencil does not have any inner metal or plastic sleeve to grip the lower section.
I am certain it has not just been physically removed from the cap - is as it was made.

I am beginning to think that this pencil had an inner sleeve that has come detached at sometime and was lost.

Any comments, corrections or just thoughts are greatly appreciated.

nb - Has anyone looked at Chatbox ?
It always makes me smile - what a clever platform to have on a forum.

[pajaro]

Looks like my 61 pencil.