Another ink question...can any ink help tame a wet writer?

[stevekolt]

As the heading says, is there any ink that can help tame a wet writer? My Visconti Dark Ages Homo Sapien Midi, is a very wet writer. I would like to try to tame it with a different ink. (If that's even possible) Will send it out to a nibmeister if need be.
So, any suggestions? Especially in a dark blue black ink.
Thanks.

[Pterodactylus]

ESS Registrars Blue Black
Pelikan Blue-Black
Rohrer & Klingner Salix
......

In general try to use iron gall ink.
They work in general good with very wet pens, and give you great ink performance, excellent line quality, sharp edges and awesome performance on poor paper.
Pelikan 4001 is also on the dry side.

And yes of course ink make a big difference.

[dfo]

I use Pelikan Blue-Black and Akkerman Ijzer-galnoten Blauw-Zwart to tame wet nibs.

[SIR]

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[Pterodactylus]

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I would not consider a KWZ ink as treatment for a too wet pen, even the IG versions.

At least all KWZ (including the IG versions) inks I own flow like crazy and transform proper working pens into gushers.

Also very untypical for IG inks the KWZ inks feather easily and perform not good on poor paper.
Over all my personal conclusion is, great ink colors but no top performer inks.


As said ESSRI is an all time favorite for me, an awesome behaving ink with a lot of shading.
It also has a very attractive price per ml and can be easily ordered at moderate shipping costs all over the world from the Manufacturer website.

[Chrissy]

I wouldn't consider any Iron Gall inks for any of my modern pens. These inks weren't originally designed for modern pens: they were designed many years ago and therefore surely must be more suitable for use in vintage pens. I just can't get over the fact that these inks have bits of oak gall ground up in them that might hurt/block the insides of my pens.

I have an awesome choice of inks from all over the world available to choose from, without feeling the need to choose any that are made with particulates of wood in there.

Every manufacturer seems to produce some inks that are drier than others. Pelikan 4001 inks are often cited as being dry, so I would try one of those first.

[Pterodactylus]

I wouldn't be concerned at all using modern IG inks, we are not talking about medieval mixtures brewed in monasteries.
IG inks for FPˋs are imo perfectly save to use.
But we are not talking about IG inks for dip pens.

I use modern IG ink since years and observed not a single problem with them.
Many of them are on my favorite ink list.

Btw. Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is also a IG ink.

Imho they don't even need more maintenance than others.
For sure true for the R&K IG inks and for the Pelikan one.

I´ve used ESSRI in one of my pens continuously for several years (3-4) without any flush or cleaning, just refilling.
It's a cheap Serwex MB with a modified FPR flex nib.
Not a single sign of corrosion on the steel nib, also not on the edges I modified.
ESSRI will leave a bit of residue after at least 6-9 month continues usage without flushing it, but it wash away easily with water (no residues on the other IG inks I mentioned at all), so no problem at all.

This is my Servex which holds continuously ESSRI for at least 4 years.


Show_response_738 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Serwex MB Flex EMF ..... ESS Registrars Blue-Black)

You can wipe off all you see with a single motion, but why should I do it?......

The plating loss on the section is not caused by the ink, it's just the crappy quality of the Serwex pen.
Anyway, itˋs one of my favorite pens, because of the nib.

[Chrissy]

Absolutely, if it's good for you then perfect. Each to their own, but stevekolt wants an ink for his Visconti Dark Ages Homo Sapien pen. If I had one of those, no IG inks would make my list of possibles.

[Pterodactylus]

Absolutely, if it's good for you then perfect. Each to their own, but stevekolt wants an ink for his Visconti Dark Ages Homo Sapien pen. If I had one of those, no IG inks would make my list of possibles.

I can´t see the point, I don´t have a Visconti Dark Ages Homo Sapiens, but I use IG ink in all my pens, expensive or cheap it does not matter.

Pelikan 4001 ink (including Blue-Black) is THE save ink to use, proved it's quality since many decades.
Montblanc Midnight Blue in the old IG formulation is another example for an awesome IG ink.

Almost all major ink manufacturers have IG ink in their program.
And it's a fact that these ink perform awesome (sharp line edges, perfect line definition, no feathering, water proofness, write almost on toilet paper)

And if pen manufacturers like Pelikan and Montblanc produce IG ink for their pens, why should such ink not be suitable for a Visconti?

But it's ok if you do not want to take advantage of these awesome inks....

[dfo]

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Almost all major ink manufacturers have IG ink in their program.
And it's a fact that these ink perform awesome (sharp line edges, perfect line definition, no feathering, water proofness, write almost on toilet paper)

And if pen manufacturers like Pelikan and Montblanc produce IG ink for their pens, why should such ink not be suitable for a Visconti?

+1
I won't use KWZ IG inks in my nice pens because they gum up the feed. However, Pelikan and Montblanc IG inks are fantastic and I have never had issue of corosion with any pen. Pelikan Blue-Black tames the wet flow of my M805 and works well on the cheapest of papers without feathering.

[Chrissy]

Almost all major ink manufacturers have IG ink in their program.
And it's a fact that these ink perform awesome (sharp line edges, perfect line definition, no feathering, water proofness, write almost on toilet paper)

And if pen manufacturers like Pelikan and Montblanc produce IG ink for their pens, why should such ink not be suitable for a Visconti?

+1
I won't use KWZ IG inks in my nice pens because they gum up the feed. However, Pelikan and Montblanc IG inks are fantastic and I have never had issue of corosion with any pen. Pelikan Blue-Black tames the wet flow of my M805 and works well on the cheapest of papers without feathering.

That's weird. The quote attributed to me in your post isn't my quote.

[inklord]

One more for IG inks, except the Platinum ones: wonderful inks, great behaviour, but rather wet. R&K "Salix", "Scabiosa" and any mixture of the two are wonderful flow tamers. Modern Iron Gall inks were developed by Platinum, Pelikan, Lamy, R&K to name just a few, specifically for use in their fountain pens. They are, in fact, somewhat marginal for use with dip pens!

[stevekolt]

Thanks for all the suggestions. For now I will be trying to avoid IG inks, I see mixed stories regarding them. Has anybody here tried DeAtrementis Dark Blue Document ink?

[KKay]

I would just use inks that are known to be dry. If that doesn't work, have the nib adjusted for the inks you would normally use.

[stevekolt]

KKay, That is my question. Which inks are known to be dry?

[dfo]

The list so far from the thread: Pelikan 4001 inks, most iron gall inks.

Here are some more options: Parker Quink black, Lamy Black and Lamy Blue Black (Which is no longer iron gall), Herbin Perle Noir, and Sailor's Nano.

Here are some links on the subject from that other fountain pen website.
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...h-cheap-paper/
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...7122-dry-inks/
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...best-dry-inks/


lol Chrissy. I have no idea what happened with that quote.

[Pterodactylus]

Just for the records Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is the only 4001 which contains a small potion of IG.

It's everybodies own decision to use inks which contain some IG or not.
I just feel sad when people decide not to try these inks because of decade old horror stories where the cousin of somebodies friends heard that a friend experienced a really bad thing with IG ink.


I would be more concerned about modern nano pigmented inks, which are known to be prone to clogging which remains waterproof residues. So don´t let them dry in the pen and clean them regularly.
But this is again start of a new rumor not proven by any evidence and personal experience.

I can only share my personal experiences with IG inks, nothing more.

To be on the bullet proof save side, no matter which "special" ink you use (sparkles, IG, nano, pigmented, waterproof,....) a flush now and then and not let the inks dry inside the pen should do the job.

And btw. what do you think what could happen to your pen?
That the ink eats the pen and it will fall apart?

But these rumors are spread most of the time by cleaning fanatics which flush their pens every week.
IMO a flush is only needed on a color change or when you do not re-ink a pen.
When I was young I´ve never heard anything about pen flushing/cleaning.
We just used the pens for years, just refilling.
Not even on a color change, the opposite was the case, I liked the continuous color transitions when changing the ink.

In general I think non of the inks of a major ink brand will harm any pen.
If there would be any evidence, this would be a case for product liability, the damage to the reputation of the Manufacturer would be catastrophic and the product will disappear from the market immediately.

I know no such case........

[Chrissy]

Don't feel sad. Each to their own as they say, and none of my friends or cousins twice removed have had any bad experiences that they have relayed to me.

Personally, I just choose to not use any IG or nano inks in any of my piston fillers, although I have used inks with 'sparkles' (but not in many of my piston fillers). I don't need to add any IG or nano inks to my collection, as I have loads of inks to use that I will never manage to use in my lifetime.

When I was a student, I only had a choice of IG Blue-Black ink to use at school. Now, I can choose other inks that I prefer, so I do

Even if a manufacturer gave me a free supply for the rest of my life and guaranteed that it wouldn't clog any of my feeds, I still wouldn't use it.

[Pterodactylus]

Perfectly fine....

But isn´t it a be a bit schizophrenic that people which demonized IG inks are more than willing to load each and every new designer ink (unknown chemical liquid cocktail) which freshly come up into their so precious fragile pens?

Like:
Oh did you heard that there is a new ink Manufacturer.
It's name is xxxxxx (Noodler's, KWZ, Robert Oster, Organic Studio,....) he has awesome colors, you have to try it!

No....but does it contain any IG potion?

No, just great colors and awesome features like xxxxxx (waterproof, bullet proof, freeze proof,......)

Ok, if it does not contain any IG than I will order that awesome stuff-----



But how trustworthy is e.g. a new, most of the time one person company, like a polish chemistry student brewing his own liquid chemical cocktail compared to one of the big major ink and pen Manufacturer like Pelikan with an ink that contain a small potion of IG which has proven itś liability and qualities million of times over many decades when you are concerned about your fragile precious pens?

Btw. I´m not impressed by the KWZ ink behavior at all.

I don´t say that these home brewed designer inks will harm your pens, but you got the point.
The same people are willing to load unknown home brewed chemical cocktails into their pens.


And to be honest, what can happen, pen plastic is a very robust material, immune to a very wide range of chemicals, as well as gold or modern steel alloys, same is true for ebonite/hard rubber and synthetic seals.

Pens are very robust, chemically almost indestructible tools, which can easily handle chemically almost everything which is labeled FP-ink.

[Ahriman4891]

KKay, That is my question. Which inks are known to be dry?

Rohrer & Klingner inks seem quite dry to me. Currently I have their Verdigris in a Lamy CP-1, steel Fine nib, which is my work pen. It behaves very well on office paper, there is even some subtle shading, but the dark teal-black is still professional. If I draw a long line very quickly, the fine line turns into an extra-fine, but I had no skipping or dry starts so far.