FC 03 Venetian Red

[mandrbeck]

I recently received this pen via trade. Unfortunately the previous owner cheated me and swapped the nib he promised, sent pics and a writing sample of (Masuyama medium italic) with a generic black steel bock nib. As you might imagine I now hate this pen and refuse to use it. I will not even dip it. I didn't think bock nibs could be placed into JOWO threads, but it appears I was wrong. At any rate, I will price this as if there was no nib. The pen appears to be in excellent condition. I do not see any flaws or staining.

I would also trade for any other FC pen.

Price: $105 shipped CONUS

[Lady Onogaro]

That's just an evil thing to do to you!

[dylim1]

The spaces before and after the 2nd pic are black. Are there supposed to be any pictures?

[mandrbeck]

The spaces before and after the 2nd pic are black. Are there supposed to be any pictures?

No. for some reason I can't attach any of the pics I have without taking a screen shot. The only pics I have are from the original owner and all of the other shots have either his name or screen name on them. I don't want to publicly "shame" him so I only have this one for now. I'll take pics of my own later.

[Woody]

Nasty thing to do to a good buyer and seller.

[mrincon]

I'm sorry to hear about that - if you paid through paypal goods and services you can ask for a refund, paypal will do that for you. If you both agree that it was a misunderstanding, then you can always offer to pay for return shipping, so you split the overall shipping fees.

I've been in similar situations when people sent incomplete/incorrect items, so PM if you would like any help.

[mrincon]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

[mandrbeck]

I'm sorry to hear about that - if you paid through paypal goods and services you can ask for a refund, paypal will do that for you. If you both agree that it was a misunderstanding, then you can always offer to pay for return shipping, so you split the overall shipping fees.

I've been in similar situations when people sent incomplete/incorrect items, so PM if you would like any help.

It was a trade so PayPal wasn't involved. I emailed the guy and he insisted it was my fault and he had every right to swap out nibs. He said he never guaranteed I would get the Masuyama nib even after I sent him screen shots of him specifically saying the trade offer was for the pen with the Masuyama nib. I let the moderators know on the other forum so hopefully they removed him from that site. At the end of the day, he sacrificed his integrity over a nib. Pretty silly really. And no he didn't send the pouch either. I guess he kept that too.

[comixfan]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

[mandrbeck]

More pics added

[AGOTL]

Jesusss, that's so fucked! Who was the seller?

Anyway, are you interested in other trade offers? Mind if I PM you with some?

[mandrbeck]

Jesusss, that's so fucked! Who was the seller?

Anyway, are you interested in other trade offers? Mind if I PM you with some?

Send away

[mandrbeck]

Now $105 shipped

[Bri]

Off topic: If you have iPhone, they’re using a new picture type. You can turn it off in your camera settings.

[Curtisvan]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

they come with a box and pouch. In a trade or used pen sale, unless the box and or pouch is mentioned I assume it's not included.

[mrincon]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

they come with a box and pouch. In a trade or used pen sale, unless the box and or pouch is mentioned I assume it's not included.

Well, in all fairness, I think that's reasonable for most boxes/papers. THOUGH in the case of F-C and Nakaya it should be assumed included because the pouches/kimonos do have monetary value - in fact, exactly $20 from FC or Nakaya. So in this case it's not just wrapping that is not included (though to some the boxes and papers have value), but it's $20 worth of what the original owner paid.

[comixfan]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

they come with a box and pouch. In a trade or used pen sale, unless the box and or pouch is mentioned I assume it's not included.

Per Franklin-Christoph's website: "In lieu of a traditional gift box we now ship with a maroon leather zippered pouch with an outer white thin box. If you'd prefer a traditional gift box, please let us know at the time of order." So maybe they used to ship with both a gift box and a pouch? I know I only got a pouch when I ordered my 1901 a year or so ago.

On a side note, I'm digging the look of this pen-- the finial reminds me of that old fashioned rock/ribbon candy my grandma used to keep in a dish in the living room:

[Curtisvan]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

they come with a box and pouch. In a trade or used pen sale, unless the box and or pouch is mentioned I assume it's not included.

Well, in all fairness, I think that's reasonable for most boxes/papers. THOUGH in the case of F-C and Nakaya it should be assumed included because the pouches/kimonos do have monetary value - in fact, exactly $20 from FC or Nakaya. So in this case it's not just wrapping that is not included (though to some the boxes and papers have value), but it's $20 worth of what the original owner paid.

When you're buying something used I don't think there should be any assumptions. If the box or pouch is important to me I ask. I've sold several FC pens with no pouch. I've also seen Nakayas sold with no kimono or box. Avoid disappointment. Ask. Now in this case the trader was cheated in a nib swap.

[stevekolt]

It would be a public service to let us know who the seller was to avoid this happening to anybody else...

[mrincon]

Also, I'm pretty sure you should have gotten a pouch with this one, no?

I think F-C gives you a choice of a pouch or a gift box, and since this is pictured with a gift box, I'm guessing it didn't come with a pouch.

they come with a box and pouch. In a trade or used pen sale, unless the box and or pouch is mentioned I assume it's not included.

Well, in all fairness, I think that's reasonable for most boxes/papers. THOUGH in the case of F-C and Nakaya it should be assumed included because the pouches/kimonos do have monetary value - in fact, exactly $20 from FC or Nakaya. So in this case it's not just wrapping that is not included (though to some the boxes and papers have value), but it's $20 worth of what the original owner paid.

When you're buying something used I don't think there should be any assumptions. If the box or pouch is important to me I ask. I've sold several FC pens with no pouch. I've also seen Nakayas sold with no kimono or box. Avoid disappointment. Ask. Now in this case the trader was cheated in a nib swap.

Fair enough. Your advice to always ask is correct, and I fully endorse it. I would give the same advice to sellers to clarify if there is no kimono or leather pouch, given that they have monetary value and some buyers might assume it is included. That can only lead to happy, willing transactions where everyone is better off and avoid misunderstandings.

And yes, this nib swap cheating is shameful. SIGH