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    Default Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I bought a Platinum 3776 just to use with Iron Gall inks

    It was the least expensive Gold nib Cartridge Converter pen I find comfortable

    Is this weird or does it make sense to anyone else?


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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I´m not worried about using any of my iron gall inks in any of my pens (vintage and modern, steel and gold nibs).

    But if you feel better that way, why not

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I wouldn't worry about it. Though anecdotal, I've used MB blue-black in pens for three decades, and I've seen no ill-effect. I've read Richard Binder's warning about metal parts reacting with iron gall ink, but since I'm not preserving museum-pieces, I just keep on using the stuff in any pen I damn well please.

    On the other hand, I wonder if the issue depends on concentration? I also use ESSRI.

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbreeze View Post
    I bought a Platinum 3776 just to use with Iron Gall inks

    It was the least expensive Gold nib Cartridge Converter pen I find comfortable

    Is this weird or does it make sense to anyone else?
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    It makes sense to me since IG inks won't eat through gold nibs, but they will eat through steel ones.

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    I´m not worried about using any of my iron gall inks in any of my pens (vintage and modern, steel and gold nibs).

    But if you feel better that way, why not
    I have a bad habit of forgetting to empty pens as often as I should, so the seal technology on the pen is also a plus


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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I use ESSRI since several years continuously in a cheap Serwex MB with a EMF modded FPR flex nib (despite it’s crappy building quality and the cheap materials one of my favorite pens because of the nib)
    The pen is continuously inked for years now, only refilling, (dried out also some times when I used it not so much) never cleaned it.
    Still work perfectly, no negative effect observable, not even on the edges where I modded the steel nib (not a single trace of corrosion)


    Show_response_738 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

    (Serwex MB Flex EMF ..... ESS Registrars Blue-Black)


    I´m also not one of the cleaning fetischists.
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I like using IG for work notes, and have bought pens specifically to dedicate them to iron gall inks, so I understand completely. I have a Lamy CP-1 with a gold nib upgrade, and my most recent addition - a Parker 45 flighter with a gold nib. Right now they are inked with R&K Scabiosa and Salix, respectively.

    I get what people are saying about workhorses vs museum pieces, but I still don't like steel to be in contact with IG. I wouldn't use them in e.g. a Targa, which has a steel collar around its feed nipple. My requirements for an IG-friendly pen are:
    • comes apart easily for cleaning; preferably C/C
    • gold nib
    • purely plastic feed and nipple
    • plastic inner cap to prevent nib dry-out and isolate the ink vapors

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    I use ESSRI since several years continuously in a cheap Serwex MB with a EMF modded FPR flex nib (despite it’s crappy building quality and the cheap materials one of my favorite pens because of the nib)
    The pen is continuously inked for years now, only refilling, (dried out also some times when I used it not so much) never cleaned it.
    Still work perfectly, no negative effect observable, not even on the edges where I modded the steel nib (not a single trace of corrosion)


    Show_response_738 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

    (Serwex MB Flex EMF ..... ESS Registrars Blue-Black)
    I believe I can see traces of corrosion on the chrome trim on the grip and along the nib slit.

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    I use ESSRI since several years continuously in a cheap Serwex MB with a EMF modded FPR flex nib (despite it’s crappy building quality and the cheap materials one of my favorite pens because of the nib)
    The pen is continuously inked for years now, only refilling, (dried out also some times when I used it not so much) never cleaned it.
    Still work perfectly, no negative effect observable, not even on the edges where I modded the steel nib (not a single trace of corrosion)


    Show_response_738 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

    (Serwex MB Flex EMF ..... ESS Registrars Blue-Black)
    I believe I can see traces of corrosion on the chrome trim on the grip and along the nib slit.
    The crappy chrom coating is coming off all over these pens, itˋs just the really poor material quality of this Indian pen which causes that.

    The nib has absolutely no trace of corrosion, what you see is in the picture is only residue because I do not clean it.
    This residue can be easily wiped away, the nib is in perfect shape (picture is 2 years old and the pen has now 2 years more continues inking behind it).
    I removed the nib about a year ago and checked it.
    All residue could be wiped off easily and the nib has no sign of corrosion neither on the upper nor the lower side, nor the edges where I reshaped it with my Dremel years ago for the EMF mod.

    I´m sorry to disenourage you, but I never experienced any problem (even with such cheap pens) with any of my “evil” IG inks.

    If you need further proof I will remove the nib for you, clean it and make some macro shots.

    Pen materials are designed and chosen to withstand acidic and alkaline inks easily.

    Regarding steel nibs we are talking about modern stainless steel alloys which would only smile about the minor acidity of modern IG inks if they could smile
    We are not talking about steel dip nibs, which of course already corrode in contact with plain water.


    All the believers of the “evilness” of IG inks should provide some real personal observed facts, with personally shot pictures what they think which damages were caused by IG inks in their own pens.
    All I ever see and hear are myths, like a cousin of a friend of mine heard that...., in a forum I heard materials are dissolved...., I found on a web site a picture of a nib destroyed....., nibs are eaten by .....
    But in general never personally observed things and own pictures to show it.

    So please provide own pictures which you think prove the evilness of IG inks. (Or it did not happened)

    But people also believe in yetis and that the climate change does not happen and many other crude things, so I fear that the “evil” IG myth will remain.
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    My only point was that I can see traces of corrosion on that pen, yet you had said "no negative effect observable, ...(not a single trace of corrosion)"
    I wondered if maybe you hadn't yet seen the effect on the pen that the large photo was showing, but others can see it on the picture.

    I won't reply to any more of your posts about IG inks.
    Last edited by Chrissy; November 8th, 2017 at 03:29 AM.

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I am currently using Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black in an M600. No problems, of course. Previously, it's been in an M205, M215, Conway Stewart and so on. Similarly, Montblanc Midnight Blue IG version, in an Omas. No issues with the steel nibs, where applicable. Finally, I've Lamy Blue-Black, IG version, in a Lamy Logo with usual steel nib.
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    ‘‘Tis one reason why we have gold nibs. I use IG ink (Pelikan an Diamine) in my Pelikans, pilot 912 and Lamy 2000 and Al-star. One time I had to rinse the Al-star with water because I let it sit for two weeks without use, but there was no corrosion. However, I have found that some component in KWZ ink can gum up my pens without continual use.
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    The bottle of IG I have is wonderful, but it is serious stuff and I would never use with anything other than a dip pen. And that dip pen has an amazing ability with IG to go from needle point to broad. Cool stuff, for external use only . . . (I know it is not the same as the commercial IG inks.
    Little pieces of iron powder drop on the page whenever i open the bottle.)
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I feel better about buying a Vanishing Point, just for Diamine Registrars.
    Thank you for that. Perfectly normal. Plus it’s a BLUE one!

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    Old thread but anyway... I have used IG ink a little bit in a Jinhao 8802 with no ill effects. Mostly I'd use IG in vintage gold nib pens or in lower cost steel nib pens just in case. But I don't have an actual bottle of IG yet, only a sample, so what do I know?

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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    The only thing you have to worry about in using an IG ink is to make sure to flush it well when changing inks. Otherwise, you are golden.
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    Default Re: Am I odd?? - Iron Gall Ink

    I now have a green Kaweco Sport with a 14k nib, my eyedropper DRI pen. More capacity than my other full-time DRI runners (Pilot 743, Vanishing Point, and now a Stella). Pretty indestructible, pretty uninspiring, but Kaweco #5s in 14k are worth all the pennies.

    To be fair, this and the VP and (well, okay)the 743 are the only pens that I bought JUST for DRI; the second VP was happenstance, and the Stella came along AFTER DRI became my go-to, because our paper is that bad.

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