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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    What the hell happened to the FPN thread?

    I read some muppet saying you would have to be crazy to buy ink at that price, someone else got pi55ed at that comment, saw a joke and then bang - we are on lock down.

    Makes you wonder if MontBlanc ......................no it cannot be so.
    FPN hushing dissent about MontBlanc. Clutch my pearls, I can't imagine such a thing!

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    ...why does MB attract the dipsticks of the world?
    Perhaps because it's what they set out to do...?

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    Some new trolling posters have joined in, why does MB attract the dipsticks of the world?
    Envy?

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    Some new trolling posters have joined in, why does MB attract the dipsticks of the world?
    Envy?
    I need to amend my name to add "dipstick" to the list.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    This seems crazy, but I can see how they got there.
    If people are willing to pay X for a bottle of, for example, red chalk, then why not just charge a high price for a "special" ink to start with.
    If it's not LE then they can charge what they want, it won't be marked up in resale after all.
    This is definitely not about being a pen and ink manufacturer anymore. Welcome to the "more money than sense" discussions, unless these inks can do something REALLY, AMAZINGLY, SPECIALY, DIFFERENT... then it's just expensive ink.
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    This seems crazy, but I can see how they got there.
    If people are willing to pay X for a bottle of, for example, red chalk, then why not just charge a high price for a "special" ink to start with.
    If it's not LE then they can charge what they want, it won't be marked up in resale after all.
    This is definitely not about being a pen and ink manufacturer anymore. Welcome to the "more money than sense" discussions, unless these inks can do something REALLY, AMAZINGLY, SPECIALY, DIFFERENT... then it's just expensive ink.
    Yes, I agree with you.

    They might have seen some crazy prices for bottles of ink on ebay and elsewhere, and thought that there are people around who are prepared to pay this sort of money for ink, so why not see how much they are prepared to pay for new ink from Montblanc?

    There is currently a bottle of Hitchcock listed on eBay UK for £80, and that's only 30ml! It hasn't sold, of course, but it's still there.

    There are people on the FPN threads who are going to buy this Elixir ink, and they don't consider it's a problem for them. That's fine. Each to their own. I suspect everyone has their own price limit over which they won't go when buying ink.

    I remember I wouldn't pay $45 plus shipping and PayPal fees to buy a bottle of Sailor Pen & Message Cigar ink. Then Sailor grasped that it was a really popular ink, that they needed to make more of, so they introduced it back into their standard range as Rikyu cha.

    Now they are going to reduce their ink bottle sizes, and sell them for the same price. It's not that dissimilar to what Montblanc is doing. They are reacting to the current market trend where people seem to be prepared to pay more for ink than some manufacturers thought they would. If it doesn't work then they will have to try something else.

    While people are prepared to pay, manufacturers will react. If no-one bought it, and it all either had to be reduced to sell or go bad, they would probably not try it again.
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    I agree with Sammyo about the Mb Elixir inks.


    Re Rikyu-cha etc, the original Rikyu-cha pre-dates P & M Cigar so wasn’t a copy.

    Cigar and Rikyu-cha are close but are not exactly the same. As someone said elsewhere “they are dizygotic”. However, as always, YMMV. They are likely close enough for some not to discern or bother about the difference. I enjoy having both, and appreciate the differences.
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by migo984 View Post
    I agree with Sammyo about the Mb Elixir inks.


    Re Rikyu-cha etc, the original Rikyu-cha pre-dates P & M Cigar so wasn’t a copy.

    Cigar and Rikyu-cha are close but are not exactly the same. As someone said elsewhere “they are dizygotic”. However, as always, YMMV. They are likely close enough for some not to discern or bother about the difference. I enjoy having both, and appreciate the differences.
    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post


    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
    Tanna Japonenis (Evening Cicada) is gorgeous and I think it's my favourite green. I've attached some swatches of some similar inks for you, although none are an exact match, either for colour or other characteristics. Diamine Safari is close, but slightly more brown, and feels drier. KWZ Green Gold (not Green Gold #2) is like Safari in shade; I like its performance better from the pen than Safari. My scan doesn't show it up well. It is actually quite close to Tanna IRL.
    Diamine Classic Green is a good green but is more grey than Tanna. Kobe #28 is definitely a truer green then Tanna, but also being a Sailor has the typical Sailor characteristics.
    I think Monteverde Olivine is also a close contender, but my bottle is still in Australia so I couldn't include it in this set.

    Overall I haven't ever been able to find a ready-made, easily available alternative to Tanna. But there are a few, as you can see, that are close and may be acceptable alternatives for you.

    Hope this helps a little.

    Tanna Japonensis.jpg

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    I think Stipula Musk Green is more yellowy...and that ain't cheap either.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    I think Stipula Musk Green is more yellowy...and that ain't cheap either.
    I agree. I didn’t include the Stipula as I find it a much muddier shade.
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Note Montblanc's use of the word "Collection," a common ploy to make a consumer product appear prestigious while urging acquisition of the full set of something. "Limited Edition" works the same way on our psyche.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Note Montblanc's use of the word "Collection," a common ploy to make a consumer product appear prestigious while urging acquisition of the full set of something. "Limited Edition" works the same way on our psyche.
    Yes I agree. Limited Edition usually works well.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Note Montblanc's use of the word "Collection," a common ploy to make a consumer product appear prestigious while urging acquisition of the full set of something. "Limited Edition" works the same way on our psyche.
    Gotta love how supermarkets use this term for cheese.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Note Montblanc's use of the word "Collection," a common ploy to make a consumer product appear prestigious while urging acquisition of the full set of something. "Limited Edition" works the same way on our psyche.
    Gotta love how supermarkets use this term for cheese.
    And deodorant.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by migo984 View Post
    I agree with Sammyo about the Mb Elixir inks.


    Re Rikyu-cha etc, the original Rikyu-cha pre-dates P & M Cigar so wasn’t a copy.

    Cigar and Rikyu-cha are close but are not exactly the same. As someone said elsewhere “they are dizygotic”. However, as always, YMMV. They are likely close enough for some not to discern or bother about the difference. I enjoy having both, and appreciate the differences.
    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
    Do you want the Dorcus Hopei? I bought a bottle and don't love it.

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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby921 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by migo984 View Post
    I agree with Sammyo about the Mb Elixir inks.


    Re Rikyu-cha etc, the original Rikyu-cha pre-dates P & M Cigar so wasn’t a copy.

    Cigar and Rikyu-cha are close but are not exactly the same. As someone said elsewhere “they are dizygotic”. However, as always, YMMV. They are likely close enough for some not to discern or bother about the difference. I enjoy having both, and appreciate the differences.
    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
    Do you want the Dorcus Hopei? I bought a bottle and don't love it.
    Is there a swab somewhere I could see?
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by migo984 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post


    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
    Tanna Japonenis (Evening Cicada) is gorgeous and I think it's my favourite green. I've attached some swatches of some similar inks for you, although none are an exact match, either for colour or other characteristics. Diamine Safari is close, but slightly more brown, and feels drier. KWZ Green Gold (not Green Gold #2) is like Safari in shade; I like its performance better from the pen than Safari. My scan doesn't show it up well. It is actually quite close to Tanna IRL.
    Diamine Classic Green is a good green but is more grey than Tanna. Kobe #28 is definitely a truer green then Tanna, but also being a Sailor has the typical Sailor characteristics.
    I think Monteverde Olivine is also a close contender, but my bottle is still in Australia so I couldn't include it in this set.

    Overall I haven't ever been able to find a ready-made, easily available alternative to Tanna. But there are a few, as you can see, that are close and may be acceptable alternatives for you.

    Hope this helps a little.

    Tanna Japonensis.jpg
    Joyful-2 looks like a close match, though I don't know where I would get it. I do like the Kobe 28. Vanness sells that.
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby921 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by migo984 View Post
    I agree with Sammyo about the Mb Elixir inks.


    Re Rikyu-cha etc, the original Rikyu-cha pre-dates P & M Cigar so wasn’t a copy.

    Cigar and Rikyu-cha are close but are not exactly the same. As someone said elsewhere “they are dizygotic”. However, as always, YMMV. They are likely close enough for some not to discern or bother about the difference. I enjoy having both, and appreciate the differences.
    Do you have a suggestion for something close to the Kingdom Note Japanese beetle one (the green one). I only ever had the sample you sent me, but I loved it. Maybe I should have paid the money for it....
    Do you want the Dorcus Hopei? I bought a bottle and don't love it.
    Is there a swab somewhere I could see?
    I don't have a swab of my own, but here's a link to a review on FPN. Also, I didn't realize that there were two other beetle inks (burgundy and blue) in the Kingdom Note series. I was only aware of the one before going hunting for a review / image for you. What I have is the Dorcus Hopei Binodulosus, which is the black w/ green sheen. If this isn't the one you were looking for then I apologize for my lack of knowledge of the other two.

    http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...-kingdom-note/


    Of course based on your post above about the "Joyful-2" being close to what you're looking for I think you might be talking about the Kingdom Note Tanna Japonesis, which is closer to a cicada than a beetle and more reason for me to back away as I seriously misunderstood what you are looking for .


    Edit...I read through all of migo's post and see that Tanna Japonesis was mentioned. I missed it. I'm going home and pouring a large glass of whisky!
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    Default Re: Happenings at Montblanc - New "Elixir Colorist Collection" inks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Onogaro View Post

    Joyful-2 looks like a close match, though I don't know where I would get it. I do like the Kobe 28. Vanness sells that.
    You can have my bottle of Joyful-2 Hotaka Olive if you’d like it? I’d be very pleased to send it to you. It’s only missing a couple of fills 😊

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