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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Again tried Nightshade and Ottoman Azure a 3rd time on this occasion. Never got the same color. Odd. I'm going to try BSB for the heck of it. I've got lots of bleach and isopropyl alcohol around. Can't be that bad.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Again tried Nightshade and Ottoman Azure a 3rd time on this occasion. Never got the same color. Odd. I'm going to try BSB for the heck of it. I've got lots of bleach and isopropyl alcohol around. Can't be that bad.
    Just make sure you don't put it in a pen that's ever had any other ink in it.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Again tried Nightshade and Ottoman Azure a 3rd time on this occasion. Never got the same color. Odd. I'm going to try BSB for the heck of it. I've got lots of bleach and isopropyl alcohol around. Can't be that bad.
    I've has Baystate Blue in a Kaweco Dia 2 continuously, since 02-12-2015 and have had no issues whatsoever. No flushing, just refilling and nothing has fallen apart or dissolved. No Martian invasions etc etc.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyIvan View Post
    Pen hygiene and no issues here.
    Right.........pen hygiene, use only Baystate Blue in less expensive converter pens Parker 45 and the like, no demonstrators or light colored barrels, feeds.
    I have had absolutely no issues using Noodlers in a wild range of pens. Becareful of reds, wild colors in snorkels, etc. - but that is with any ink.
    Been using Noodlers in my P51’s, 61’s, 75’s, Pelikans, Japanese, etc. ever since Noodlers come out; what is that 15 years?
    I will admit that my sac and button fillers are hit or miss though......
    Eyedropers love Noodlers......Bernanke inks really are awesome in ED’s


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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by wingwiper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyIvan View Post
    Pen hygiene and no issues here.
    Right.........pen hygiene, use only Baystate Blue in less expensive converter pens Parker 45 and the like, no demonstrators or light colored barrels, feeds.
    I have had absolutely no issues using Noodlers in a wild range of pens. Becareful of reds, wild colors in snorkels, etc. - but that is with any ink.
    Been using Noodlers in my P51’s, 61’s, 75’s, Pelikans, Japanese, etc. ever since Noodlers come out; what is that 15 years?
    I will admit that my sac and button fillers are hit or miss though......
    Eyedropers love Noodlers......Bernanke inks really are awesome in ED’s
    The problem with this, as it always is, is that "Noodlers" is hardly one ink. Within all those many formulations that Nathan has put together, there are many different behaviors. One simply cannot say, across the board, that Noodlers inks are either flawless or the worst thing ever. Many of their inks are fine, some are problematic. They almost have to be addressed on a case by case basis.

    And that doesn't even address his inconsistency in batches, though I haven't sampled many of the inks in the last couple years, as I've pretty much walked away.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    I regularly use Noodler's "Legal Lapis" and have had no problems.
    Not sure what the 'complaint' is?
    The manufacturer is opinionated; however, you at least clearly know where he 'stands'.
    Noodler prices, to me, are reasonable and the quality is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul03894 View Post
    I regularly use Noodler's "Legal Lapis" and have had no problems.
    Not sure what the 'complaint' is?
    The manufacturer is opinionated; however, you at least clearly know where he 'stands'.
    Noodler prices, to me, are reasonable and the quality is fine.
    General complaint is that:

    - Noodlers has a variety of inks that behave differently. I have never had trouble with his saturated but otherwise normal inks. I would use his Blue or his Ottoman Azure if I liked the colors, but both lean toward teal or green. I like purplish blues.

    - Some Noodlers inks have additives designed for weird purposes, such as his "polar" inks. Why do we need an ink for winter in cold climates? Did no one use a pen in Duluth or Maine or New Brunswick or Alaska? If there is no reason for the specialty ink, then why bother with the additives?

    - A couple of experienced repair people, people who have handled many repairs, say that they have received too many fouled up fountain pens that had been writing with either Noodlers or Private Reserve inks. These are trustworthy people. Others have tried to reproduce failures. For instance, one careful experiment dipped various strips of ink sac into a Noodlers ink for several months without seeing damage. I think that goes the wrong direction. People like Richard Binder and Ron Zorn see pens that come in for repair. They see saturated inks, especially versions of red, in pens with melted sacs or damaged feeds.

    - Users -- non repair specialists -- report that Noodlers inks look different from one buy to another, as if Nathan Tardiff varies his recipe from batch to batch, or cannot find the same ingredients.

    - It has been argued that the batch-to-batch variation is good because...well, I can't remember the reasons, so I won't try to repeat them.

    - Nathan Tardiff and Brian Goulet insist that people dislike his inks because they dislike his politics. I ignore his political statements, since they are more like simple-minded slogans. I would use his inks if he made more attractive and more reliable inks; I use Private Reserve blues, in moderation, because I like the colors. When others mention that they won't use Noodlers, they never (OK, almost never, just because I haven't read every single complaint) grumble about his politics. It is Tardiff who says that it is all political.

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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    My problem is discovering Waterman Serenity Blue. There is no prejudice, just no motivation.

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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    I like Waterman Serenity Blue.

    Since I started...and stopped...being interested in this subject, I had one thought about a month ago that had never occurred to me before. In all that time that I tried to make sacs fail by exposing them to Noodler's ink, I only exposed the latex sac cuttings to the inks. My hope was that I could make one melt on demand with at least one of the dozens of inks, many Noodler's, that I had on hand. The latex trimmings were pretty adamant about not melting even after more than a year of exposure. So, I always thought there must be another ingredient. I am wondering now whether metal pressure bars and sac housings (e.g. Snorkel) might play a role despite being on the other side of the latex sac from the ink. When just exposing sac cuttings to inks, it's easy to have an experimental control from the same sac. If we are to simulate ink in a sac in a pen with metal touching the sac, then we would need to put the ink in the sac, and then setting up the experimental control will be harder. However, one could cut sacs in half, trim off the ends, and clip one end shut to make the resulting latex tubes hold ink. Then you could put them in contact with a pressure bar or whatever, give them time, and see if anything happens. Not going to be me that tries this, however. I'm retired from ink controversies.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by mhosea View Post
    I like Waterman Serenity Blue.

    Since I started...and stopped...being interested in this subject, I had one thought about a month ago that had never occurred to me before. In all that time that I tried to make sacs fail by exposing them to Noodler's ink, I only exposed the latex sac cuttings to the inks. My hope was that I could make one melt on demand with at least one of the dozens of inks, many Noodler's, that I had on hand. The latex trimmings were pretty adamant about not melting even after more than a year of exposure. So, I always thought there must be another ingredient. I am wondering now whether metal pressure bars and sac housings (e.g. Snorkel) might play a role despite being on the other side of the latex sac from the ink. When just exposing sac cuttings to inks, it's easy to have an experimental control from the same sac. If we are to simulate ink in a sac in a pen with metal touching the sac, then we would need to put the ink in the sac, and then setting up the experimental control will be harder. However, one could cut sacs in half, trim off the ends, and clip one end shut to make the resulting latex tubes hold ink. Then you could put them in contact with a pressure bar or whatever, give them time, and see if anything happens. Not going to be me that tries this, however. I'm retired from ink controversies.
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    Noodler's Legal Lapis has been my 'go to' ink for years with no problems.
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    I've been using Noodler's inks and the only 'problem' I've encountered is not opening a new bottle with enough care. Noodler's FILLS their bottles to the brim! Open a new bottle over a sink or cloth, especially if you live at a higher altitude.

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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemyst View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_pat View Post
    I've been using Noodler's inks and the only 'problem' I've encountered is not opening a new bottle with enough care. Noodler's FILLS their bottles to the brim! Open a new bottle over a sink or cloth, especially if you live at a higher altitude.
    Can’t be avoided.

    Bottles are filled by weight, not volume.

    Some inks take up more space than others. The powder bottle is the only economical vessel for the small business in search of glass.
    I use one of those fully glazed, deepish "plant pot saucers." First ensure it's perfectly clean and dry then place your bottle flat in the centre and very carefully unscrew it. If you do spill some you can then use a syringe to suck it up out of the saucer.
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    Would I open a can of worms if I were to ask about Mr. Tardiff's political stance?
    As foreigner, the concept may be beyond my understanding.

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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Would I open a can of worms if I were to ask about Mr. Tardiff's political stance?
    What's yours, and why do you ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Would I open a can of worms if I were to ask about Mr. Tardiff's political stance?
    As foreigner, the concept may be beyond my understanding.
    It would be an unusual question to ask especially on a fountain pen forum. Therefore I would probably reply yes to your question.
    In any event there is only one place permitted for political posts on this whole forum so here isn't the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Would I open a can of worms if I were to ask about Mr. Tardiff's political stance?
    As foreigner, the concept may be beyond my understanding.
    It would be an unusual question to ask especially on a fountain pen forum. Therefore I would probably reply yes to your question.
    In any event there is only one place permitted for political posts on this whole forum so here isn't the place.
    I agree with Chrissy. If you would like to discuss political beliefs of someone, please take it to the Politics-Religion-and-Society forum section, as these discussions can get quite heated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Would I open a can of worms if I were to ask about Mr. Tardiff's political stance?
    Not only is the answer yes, but said can of worms would be filled by weight and likely come spilling out when opened.
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    Default Re: Prejudice Against Noodler's Ink

    I don't find his reference to history to be much of what I call politics, but it's colorful. He's probably on a whole different spectrum than me, I don't know, and I don't care. I like his attitude and way of being as he presents himself. It is the attitude of a passionate artist - and I always support that.

    In fact it is that colorful personality that first attracted me. Corporations or large concerns have no personality, which comes across to me as dishonest - and I don't support that.

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    I've been using various Noodler's inks for years, and have generally been very happy with them.

    Like many others, I've tried Bay State Blue, and yes, it does require special handling. I have one cheap Chinese pen that I reserve for this ink; I don't use it a lot, but it's definitely part of the rotation.

    I'm an especial fan of plain old Noodler's Bulletproof black, but I do dilute it a bit with RO filtered water - otherwise, it's very saturated and tends to smudge a bit even when it is thoroughly dry.

    I currently have pens inked with Prime of the Commons, Manhattan Blue, Turquoise (exact match for a Lamy Safari in petrol), Saguaro Wine, Black Swan in Australian Roses, Marine Green, and Bulletproof Black. Also have a J. Herbin rollerball loaded with Lexington Gray.

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