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    Is there such a thing as user-grade? That nib and section call to me...
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Is there such a thing as user-grade? That nib and section call to me...
    “User-grade”? I’m not familiar with the term...

    The 18kt has more flex than the 14kt and they go from XF up to Broad Oblique Italic... there’s a sheet music nib in there somewhere too.

    I think there are 5(?) section variants too. The cross section shape gets progressively rounder with later variations. All different but beautiful nonetheless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by morningtundra View Post
    Is there a name for the snow flake tassies in your last picture? I've not seen these before, do you know what their story is?
    Lih-Tah Wong lists them as prototype decorative tassies: http://www.parker75.com/Reference/Tassies/Tassies.htm

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    When did the Section become all plastic?
    Late 1965, again according to Lih-Tah Wong: http://www.parker75.com/Reference/Sections/Section.htm

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    Default Re: New P75 Pickup...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Is there such a thing as user-grade? That nib and section call to me...
    P75s can be had for less in other finishes and/or without the early flat tassies. The shape of the section and style of the trim ring is different in later versions, though: http://www.parker75.com/Reference/Sections/Section.htm

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    Default Re: New P75 Pickup...

    Quote Originally Posted by morningtundra View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Is there such a thing as user-grade? That nib and section call to me...
    “User-grade”? I’m not familiar with the term...

    The 18kt has more flex than the 14kt and they go from XF up to Broad Oblique Italic... there’s a sheet music nib in there somewhere too.

    I think there are 5(?) section variants too. The cross section shape gets progressively rounder with later variations. All different but beautiful nonetheless .

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    User grade = writes, but not in collectable trim.
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

    And my other blog is a tumblr!


    And my latest ebook, for spooky wintery reading:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CM2NGSSD

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    Default Re: New P75 Pickup...

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    Am I right in thinking this is a 1964 MK I ?


    Yes, there were no more than 250 ever made.

    Arrow Park, Janesville 1964.

    When did the Section become all plastic?

    After the first test production run , they were all plastic ( it was a cost issue )


    You have a very fine and seriously rare Parker 75 pen ( I have only ever seen two others. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    morningtundra

    Am I right in thinking this is a 1964 MK I ?


    Yes, there were no more than 250 ever made.

    Arrow Park, Janesville 1964.

    When did the Section become all plastic?

    After the first test production run , they were all plastic ( it was a cost issue )


    You have a very fine and seriously rare Parker 75 pen ( I have only ever seen two others. )
    Thanks! I also notice the tassie has a notch cut out for the arrow clip, as opposed to having the notch in the cap like my other early Ciseles...

    Do you know if production numbers (even estimates) exist anywhere? I couldn't find anything on parker75.com.

    I'm really curious to know which of the various Cisele's were the big sellers and when they were at the peak of their popularity?
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    I would like these P75's please.

    Money would not be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    I would like these P75's please.

    Money would not be an issue.
    Wow, that rainbow finish is a crazy effect.

    I wonder how the engineers came up with that?!

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    I also notice the tassie has a notch cut out for the arrow clip, as opposed to having the notch in the cap like my other early Ciseles..
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    Have missed that fact you have other early P75's - some photography would be nice please.

    Do you know if production numbers (even estimates) exist anywhere? I couldn't find anything on parker75.com.

    I take it you are trying to assess the rarity of your other P75's you have.

    Lih-Tah Wong site, parker 75.com is not the oracle on Parker 75 pens ( it is at least 8 years out of date ) but is an excellent general guide - Post photography of them please

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    Do you know if production numbers (even estimates) exist anywhere? I couldn't find anything on parker75.com.

    Yes I have the official Parker sales figures for P75 , 51 & 61

    If you wish to judge rarity, figures mean nothing at all.

    I collect NOS Parker Boxed pens, about 1 in 2000 produced survived in tact, unused over the last 40 – 70 years.

    An example :

    It is not that hard to find a NOS P75 Gold Millerais FP & BP made at Meru France ( about 18 months of searching ) now have them.

    The NOS boxed Gold & Silver Flamme version is very difficult is find – only ever seen one silver set and a gold FP - bought them both.

    You have to have a big wallet if you search for rare Parker pens.
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    I am sure 95 % of the people reading this realise that ebay offer about 5 – 10 % of the rare pens actually available to buy.

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    This a cut and paste from a Dutch chap’s website who has rather limited access ( he is a big star on the net and forums )

    Whilst I know who he is, I have never spoken to him and have not desire to do so.

    The Parker 75 is an odd pen since it actually became more and more popular as the time went by. It managed to increase in sales during the "dark ballpoint years" of the 1970's and 1980's, like no other pen did. Between the years 1965 to 1981 Parker made and sold 11 million Parker 75's of different designs. It took the pen eight years to sell one million units per year, then sales was rather steady for about five years during the early 1970's, then again in 1980 it suddenly sold 2.2 million per year and it continued to be a good seller until it was discontinued in 1994 to make room for Parkers new top-line, the Sonnet.
    Nevertheless the Parker "75" is one of Parkers best money makers. Compared to the profits made by the lower priced Parker "45" (that had been around for even longer), the Parker "45" in its heyday sold 75 million units during 20 years, generating $140 million for Parker, the 11 million Parker "75"'s generated $111 million over a 15-year span and, of course the fewer the pens, the less overall production costs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post

    Am I right in thinking this is a 1964 MK I ?


    Yes, there were no more than 250 ever made.
    I'd be interested in the source of that figure. I've seen dozens of Parker 75s with this configuration.

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    I've seen dozens of Parker 75s with this configuration.


    Happens you can tell when and where you have seen dozens of these pens.

    I take it you have a few of these P75 pens.

    Please do post some photography of them.

    Or of any other P75 pen you have and consider to be a rare - that you have in your actual pen collection.

    You obviously have a vast collection and knowledge beyond mine.

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    Another of these early metal thread versions has appeared on EBay...

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F282980171443




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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Do you know if production numbers (even estimates) exist anywhere? I couldn't find anything on parker75.com.
    Yes I have the official Parker sales figures for P75 ,
    I’d be really interested in seeing these sales figures, if you’d be willing to share them.




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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post

    I've seen dozens of Parker 75s with this configuration.


    Happens you can tell when and where you have seen dozens of these pens.

    I take it you have a few of these P75 pens.

    Please do post some photography of them.

    Or of any other P75 pen you have and consider to be a rare - that you have in your actual pen collection.

    You obviously have a vast collection and knowledge beyond mine.

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    I've seen those pens at flea markets, antique stores, pen shows, eBay, and in other collectors' collections. I think I've seen four in the past few weeks. I'm not a 75 collector, so I've only bought a few of them and I've sold most of them. I only have a few 75s at the moment.

    Anyway, you overlooked my question: What's the source of your claim that there were only 250 Parker 75s made in the configuration shown in morningtundra's photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morningtundra View Post
    Another of these early metal thread versions has appeared on EBay...

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F282980171443


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    Yes, they appear with some regularity. Another sold a few weeks ago, I think.

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    Default Re: New P75 Pickup...

    Here's another that sold last month:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/183172491215

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    Yet another:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/183172486191

    Sure are a lot of them appearing if they only made 250.

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    Default Re: New P75 Pickup...

    This one is currently up:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/112977749224

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