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    Quote Originally Posted by adhoc View Post
    I canít believe I have to explain this...football isnít a popular sport in China, India or even USA, really.
    Is this just your opinion, or did you look up specifics and still post this knowing it is incorrect?

    The Chinese Super League is one of the biggest spenders in the world of football. I'm not sure how a club can justify a Ä60m transfer fee and a Ä30m/yr player salary if the ticket and merchandise sales aren't there to back it up. As far as viewership and popularity football is #2 to basketball, though articles note that football fans spend more on merchandise than basketball fans. One site I read indicates that 12% of athletes in China play football. I didn't find a number on how many total people are classified as athletes, but even if a lowly 10% of the total population were considered "athletes" then that 12% is nearly 20 million football players.

    I can't find much data on India, but it does classify football as a rising sport. It's still behind cricket, but the youth in India has greater interest in football because it's less boring. There are groups in India working to establish playing fields and teams across the majority of schools in the country. The do have their own professional league and at apparently had a season-long viewership of more than 200 million. 10 team league means 18 games (home and away for each) and a total of 180 games if my math is correct. So on average they have more than 1 million people tuning in on TV to watch each match. If only 1% of India's population is interested in or plays football it's still 13 million people.

    The USA is far different from what you think you know. Football is now the 3rd most watched sport in the country. The MLS has grown from its original 10 teams in 1998 to 23 teams in 2018, and will expand to 26 teams by 2020. Instead of teams sharing stadiums with hand-egg (American football) teams they now have dedicated football-specific venues with seating capacities similar to many clubs in Europe (20,000 to 60,000). A recent study indicates that 7% of the country plays football. It might be a small overall percentage, but that's still 24 million people. I'm one of that 24 million. I've been playing for 30 years.

    Now that we've established that these significantly larger countries have more soccer players than Croatia has total people, how is it that the large, rich countries are importing talent to make themselves better?


    I get it. You're proud of your neighboring country. I'm happy for them too. They work hard. They play hard. They earned it. If you want to say it's impressive for a country with 1/10th the population of England I agree. In theory a smaller talent pool makes it more difficult to assemble a team of this caliber. But for some reason you decided to bring money into the equation and suggest that all these other countries are buying / importing their players. There is no relationship between money and how good a national team can be. I also don't see a big trend between population and the talent which comes from any given country.

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    I see you are unable of grasping economies of scale, you don't know that Croatia threatened us with war just half a year ago over a border dispute, so we're not in a great relationship, and you also think that England, the country where the sport comes from and domestic violence raises by 38% whenever their team loses, has somehow a lesser motivation to win than Croatia.

    Either way, I find your arguments intellectually unstimulating, and hence no longer wish to spend my time in such an unfruitful endeavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adhoc View Post
    The USA is far different from what you think you know. Football is now the 3rd most watched sport in the country. The MLS has grown from its original 10 teams in 1998 to 23 teams in 2018, and will expand to 26 teams by 2020. Instead of teams sharing stadiums with hand-egg (American football) teams they now have dedicated football-specific venues with seating capacities similar to many clubs in Europe (20,000 to 60,000). A recent study indicates that 7% of the country plays football. It might be a small overall percentage, but that's still 24 million people. I'm one of that 24 million. I've been playing for 30 years.
    Small correction, MLS is the 3rd most attended professional sports league in the US, not the 3rd most watched (maybe you meant all forms of football, not just MLS). It's surprisingly hard to find the average number of TV watchers by the various US sports leagues but I did find TV revenues by league, and MLS ranked last on the list ($90m/year, also behind various college sports and other sports like gold, tennis, or NASCAR).
    I really enjoy watching soccer but have no interest in MLS; the quality of competition is just not high enough to keep my interest. The US has a long ways to go in developing a real soccer talent development system. I think we'll eventually get there but we're still a ways off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titrisol View Post
    Uruguay has less pop than that and has won 4 cups
    Only two, 1930 at home and 1950 in Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhoc View Post
    I see you are unable of grasping economies of scale, you don't know that Croatia threatened us with war just half a year ago over a border dispute, so we're not in a great relationship, and you also think that England, the country where the sport comes from and domestic violence raises by 38% whenever their team loses, has somehow a lesser motivation to win than Croatia.

    Either way, I find your arguments intellectually unstimulating, and hence no longer wish to spend my time in such an unfruitful endeavor.
    What economies of scale? What in the actual hell are you talking about? You've gone from suggesting Croatia is wonderful because they are small and beat a giant who imports all of their players, to now suggesting that because their fans are just as stupid as anyone else on the planet that it means they had any more or less motivation to win. You change your comments and deflect more than most politicians.

    At least we can both agree that it's been unfruitful.

    Let us go back to talking pens

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    Engerland is SHITE at football and their stars seem to peak in their mid 20s. "B-but it was coming home, la-." No, it never was. The generation before this one had better quality players in almost every position sans striker but they didn't know how to play together and they seemed to have overachieved in this world cup. I'm almost certain Columbia would've trounced them with James.

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    Don't hold back with your opinions

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