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    Default Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I see Vanness has a bottle and it pops up on Amazon. Is it suddenly available again? Did Pelikan change the formula?

    Anyone? Bueller?

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:

    Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.
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    I came into the hobby six months ago so I missed this.

    Now I want to get some to try!

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:

    Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.
    https://thepelikansperch.com/2016/04...e-black-story/

    I came into the hobby six months ago so I missed this.

    Now I want to get some to try!
    Indeed. I found it at the above mentioned places and on eBay as well direct from Germany. Now, given its semi-legendary status, I really want to try it. I just wonder if this is a new formulation, the States relaxed their rules, or its NOS.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Unless the formulation has changed and I don't think it has, you could always get it. Pelikan just isnt formally importing it into the US. I don't know where Vanness gets their inventory. Probably not Chartpak (US distributor for Pelikan).

    The US was a relatively small market I imagine for 4001 Blue Black. So why reformulate for one market?

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    4001 is still my favourite ink of all time but of course, residing in the UK supply has never been a problem. Hope you get hold of some soon.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    If anyone needs some, I go back and forth between the UK and the US all the time. I could carry some home.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I've also seen it available on Amazon.com from time to time. You can sometimes find it available on Amazon.de with reasonable shipping to the US.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I see that fountainfeder.eu carries it and their shipping was reasonable when I ordered a few weeks ago.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I'll have to put some in the lineup. Just acquired some older Montblanc blue-black IG, which I'm pretty stoked about.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    We bought the ink through FPG this year from a person living in an Eastern Europe.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Well, as it turns out, I will be going to Germany this coming March.

    I can pick some up there.

    On that note, I know Pelikan has a headquarters in Switzerland, is that just a corporate office or and actual facility? Anyone know?

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I got some from Pendemonium some time back. It's the only ink that's been able to tame my wet Wahl-Eversharp Decoband Superflex nib.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I echo Pendemonium as a resource. They import the iron gall Pelikan Blue-Black and had several bottles at the Dallas pen show a couple of weeks back. According to their website, they still have stock: http://www.pendemonium.com/Pelikan.html.


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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    The government wants to protect you from raw-milk cheese as well.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    ... why is this ink so "legendary"? it's in my (limited) experience a blue(ish) grey(ish) black(ish) ink with poor shelf life (my 5 year old bottle is simply dark grey now, though being stored in total darkness in a cool place), the ink is extremely dry and, well why? R&K "Salix" easily fills that niche, as do a number of other IG inks, not to mention pigmented inks.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by AzJon View Post
    Well, as it turns out, I will be going to Germany this coming March.

    I can pick some up there.

    On that note, I know Pelikan has a headquarters in Switzerland, is that just a corporate office or and actual facility? Anyone know?
    ... just offices as far as i know, in the tiny community of Feusisberg (population less than 6000). probably a tax fraud effort to be outside of EU jurisdiction

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?
    The information is in post #2 of this thread.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Calamus, last time I checked (yesterday) Vanness still has 4ml samples available. No bottles, unfortunately.

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