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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

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    So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?
    The information is in post #2 of this thread.
    The post doesn't mention it, but the linked article does mention a banned unnamed substance in the ink, presumably something other than IG. Wonder what it is.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Thank you kindly Mr. junglejim. I don't plan to buy any IG content inks any time soon. However, I do see Pelikan Blue-Black 4001 on eBay pretty often.

    BTW, are you anywhere near SLO? I love that whole Pismo Beach to Morro Bay area.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    A little background for those, like me, who had no idea:

    Unfortunately, 4001 Blue-Black is not available in the United States and has not been since around 2011. *The reason for this now 5 year absence is in part due to the fact that the ink*includes an ingredient(s) that is not listed in the United States Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). *That act stipulates that any*chemical substance, mixture, or article containing a chemical substance or mixture*(including microorganisms and mixtures) may be refused entry [into the United States] if it fails to comply with the TSCA, or is offered for entry in violation of section 5, 6, or 7 of the TSCA.
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    So why is 4001 banned in the US but other IG inks readily available?
    The information is in post #2 of this thread.
    The post doesn't mention it, but the linked article does mention a banned unnamed substance in the ink, presumably something other than IG. Wonder what it is.
    Probably something that will make your children be born naked or bare-footed or something.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I’ve had the misfortune of running headlong into the TSCA. Often, it’s not a matter of a chemical or substance actually being toxic, rather it’s simply a matter of that substance not appearing on an “approved” list.

    I suspect that Pelikan (or, rather, their US distributor) simply can’t be bothered to go through the expense of getting “ingredient X” tested and approved just so they can bring one shade of ink into what is, admittedly, a very small market.


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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by inklord View Post
    ... why is this ink so "legendary"? it's in my (limited) experience a blue(ish) grey(ish) black(ish) ink with poor shelf life (my 5 year old bottle is simply dark grey now, though being stored in total darkness in a cool place), the ink is extremely dry and, well why? R&K "Salix" easily fills that niche, as do a number of other IG inks, not to mention pigmented inks.
    I grabbed a few bottles recently and just inked up a pen. I find the color very nice, actually.

    My personal desire for it is that the 4001 inks work very well in my vintage Pelikan that is a fire-hydrant otherwise. Salix is fine, but so dry that it can make even the smoothest nibs have feedback.

    I only said "semi-legendary" because it was (relatively) loved (once upon a time in america) for its safe use in pens and its permanence. Now, it being no longer imported, is hard to find domestically (indeed, even Vanness only carries it if they happen to get some bottles brought over). Of course, online retailers make that all but a moot point.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    no justice no peace.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

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    Now that was a prescient post!

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I am thinking about ordering some from fountainfeder.de

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Pendomonium down Arizona was selling it this spring.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I ordered it from Endlesspens.com a few months back - they charged no more than any other 4001 ink.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?
    As far as I know Pelikan Blue-Black was always an IG ink.

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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Has Pelikan been selling both IG and non-IG versions of blue-black simultaneously with labels that make them hard to distinguish (like Montblanc did a few years ago)?
    No, the closest non-IG would be Pelikan Edelstein Tanzanite.
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    Default Re: Is Pelikan Blue-Black still banned in the States?

    I just picked up two bottles of Pelikan 4001 Blue Black from Cult Pens and had them shipped to me in the US. So still relatively easy to get, just have to wait a little longer.

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