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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    The fact that this ink doesn't mix well with water completely stumped me too.
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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Ptero, it's not a current production ink. It was limited edition / release. Shipping a sample to you could be considered sending it "home".

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Interesting hint.

    2 Brands immediately come into my mind which are made in Austria: Montblanc and Monteverde

    As far as I know there are only 3 Montblanc grey inks.

    Oyster Grey which is not a limited ink, and I own Oyster Grey and MI#22 is definitely not that one.
    Swan Illusion Plume, but it has a clearly reddish touch, so also off the list.
    Spider Web Grey which is a LE, would fit with the color, has water resistance, has a bluish component but also a really short dry time, so also off the list.

    So I would say MI#22 is not a Montblanc ink.

    Iˋm not so familiar with the Monteverde LE inks.
    A quick search gave me Smoke Noir which might would have fit color wise, it also is quite water resistant, what completely does not fit is that Smoke Noir has what they call ITF which improves flow, cap off time and dry time on the paper.

    So I can remove this ink also from the list.

    I will take a look at older Monteverde LE inks like the Gemstone collection, but there no matching color show up, Onyx looks way too dark for MI#22........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    Interesting hint.

    2 Brands immediately come into my mind which are made in Austria: Montblanc and Monteverde

    As far as I know there are only 3 Montblanc grey inks.

    Oyster Grey which is not a limited ink, and I own Oyster Grey and MI#22 is definitely not that one.
    Swan Illusion Plume, but it has a clearly reddish touch, so also off the list.
    Spider Web Grey which is a LE, would fit with the color, has water resistance, has a bluish component but also a really short dry time, so also off the list.

    So I would say MI#22 is not a Montblanc ink.

    Iˋm not so familiar with the Monteverde LE inks.
    A quick search gave me Smoke Noir which might would have fit color wise, it also is quite water resistant, what completely does not fit is that Smoke Noir has what they call ITF which improves flow, cap off time and dry time on the paper.

    So I can remove this ink also from the list.

    I will take a look at older Monteverde LE inks like the Gemstone collection, but there no matching color show up, Onyx looks way too dark for MI#22........
    Monteverde Smoke Noir (as is all the Noir inks) is a fairly new release here in the States and is still available at all of my ink dealers. I had just received several of the Noir inks over the past month in the mail.

    All the Best.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    Interesting hint.

    2 Brands immediately come into my mind which are made in Austria: Montblanc and Monteverde

    As far as I know there are only 3 Montblanc grey inks.

    Oyster Grey which is not a limited ink, and I own Oyster Grey and MI#22 is definitely not that one.
    Swan Illusion Plume, but it has a clearly reddish touch, so also off the list.
    Spider Web Grey which is a LE, would fit with the color, has water resistance, has a bluish component but also a really short dry time, so also off the list.

    So I would say MI#22 is not a Montblanc ink.

    Iˋm not so familiar with the Monteverde LE inks.
    A quick search gave me Smoke Noir which might would have fit color wise, it also is quite water resistant, what completely does not fit is that Smoke Noir has what they call ITF which improves flow, cap off time and dry time on the paper.

    So I can remove this ink also from the list.

    I will take a look at older Monteverde LE inks like the Gemstone collection, but there no matching color show up, Onyx looks way too dark for MI#22........
    As Scooby said it's not a currently available ink
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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    To my shame, I have this ink and had forgotten that I had it.
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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    The cat gets let out of the bag tomorrow

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Ok, here is my guess.

    I think Mystery Ink #22 is a Montblanc Limited Edition.

    I think the strange behavior with water and the chemical structure is because we are looking at a permanent ink.
    And as the permanence is not achieved via iron gall they had to follow a different (chemical) approach.

    I think mystery ink #22 is Montblanc Meisterstück 90 years anniversary ink Permanent Grey from 2014.

    Despite that it has a very long dry time it‘s a really good behaving ink.

    Thanks Scooby that you gave us the opportunity to test this limited Edition and hosting once again this great game.
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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Ptero, you nailed it! junglejim also guessed correctly in a private message. Well done, both of you.


    Mystery Ink #22 is Montblanc Meisterstück 90 Years Permanent Grey


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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Good one Scooby. Thank you for sending out this ink for us all to try.
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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Indeed...thanks, Scooby. It has been SO much fun.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Very interesting! Thanks for the opportunity. This was a fun one!

    This ink seems very different from MB Permanent Black in so many ways. Anyway I shall use up the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    Very interesting! Thanks for the opportunity. This was a fun one!

    This ink seems very different from MB Permanent Black in so many ways. Anyway I shall use up the rest.
    Yes. I have MB perm blue and a sample of perm black. The perm grey is different in more ways than color. The perm blue and black conform to an ISO standard for use on legal documents. The limited edition grey doesn't. Blue and black are pretty much bullet proof once dry. The grey does wash away some surface color, like an IG ink. It makes me wonder if MB started mixing things to create a grey and the permanence was discovered after the fact and added to the label.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    That wouldn't surprise me. I guess MB Permanent inks used to be IG. Maybe it was based off an old formulation.

    I do notice my Permanent Black being prone to smearing even after sitting for an hour or two (!!!). The ink appears to dry fast. But it smears.

    And that behavior isn't consistent day to day. I didn't see that with MI 22, just the absurdly long dry times.

    Anyway I still sorta kinda like it but most likely will try some different gray inks when done.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    Thank you so much Scooby, it was fun to try a new ink.

    Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    That wouldn't surprise me. I guess MB Permanent inks used to be IG. Maybe it was based off an old formulation.

    I do notice my Permanent Black being prone to smearing even after sitting for an hour or two (!!!). The ink appears to dry fast. But it smears.

    And that behavior isn't consistent day to day. I didn't see that with MI 22, just the absurdly long dry times.

    Anyway I still sorta kinda like it but most likely will try some different gray inks when done.
    I have noticed that with my sample of permanent black. It seems really thick and oily and can smear. Blue doesn't have the same behavior, which is why I have a full bottle of blue and only a sample of black.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    I had never heard of this ink before, so I wouldn't have ever guessed it correctly. Thanks Scooby!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKay View Post
    I had never heard of this ink before, so I wouldn't have ever guessed it correctly. Thanks Scooby!!!
    I hadn't heard of it before seeing the 90th anniversary rose gold trimmed pens. I really wanted one of them and in my searching I discovered the grey ink. Still looking for the right pen. It's nearly impossible to find an 90th anniversary 149 with an EF nib. When I do find them I don't feel like spending that kind of money.

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    Default Re: Mystery Ink #22

    After a week not using MI#22 it became felt a bit darker.


    Quote Stephen King, It by Ptero Pterodactylus on DeviantArt

    (Montblanc Noblesse 1122 ..... Montblanc 90 years Meisterstück Permanent Grey provided by Scooby921)

    This is also Clairefontaine 90gsm paper, but this time we see some blue feathering on it.

    I also had some hard starts and some skipping since it is longer in the pen.

    I assume that this ink has a bit of a long term stability problem (similar to some Noodler´s inks), for me that is most likely related to the way how they achieved the permanence (I guess some kind of cellulose binding process).

    So overall this is for sure not one of their best inks. (but as it was only a limited edition for quite a short time this problem is minor, maybe it was a kind of experiment with a different kind of permanence, I don´t have their current permanent black or blue (only the old IG Midnight blue) but from what I read they are different from this one).

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