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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    How can a lefty like me hold it correctly? Anyone willing to share a photo?
    I have looked online at those drawings, but I fail to understand how to keep the pen at the right angle without having to hook my hand (like a mirrored version of the right handed, but upside down. This means the nib points toward my chest!)
    Try an oblique nib (generally a right-foot oblique for you southpaws).


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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    How can a lefty like me hold it correctly? Anyone willing to share a photo?
    I have looked online at those drawings, but I fail to understand how to keep the pen at the right angle without having to hook my hand (like a mirrored version of the right handed, but upside down. This means the nib points toward my chest!)
    I'm sure there must be a way to do it, because they make special italic nibs for southpaws.
    There's a video about fountain pens for lefties from Goulet Pens at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QemooqfJcfg. I haven't watched it, but it might be useful.
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    I've tried writing in italic, but it looks awful when you can't keep a consistent slant (even with guidelines) and I don't like it enough to put the practise in, really.

    I've been doing semi-Uncial now and then, like in my ink tests - I find that much easier to write as it is closer to my normal writing, which is fairly straight up and down and curved, and I think it still looks pretty good even when you aren't very consistent with it! I find it more immediately rewarding. Mine has probably drifted somewhat from what I started off copying, as I haven't checked my letter forms against anything for a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voiren View Post
    I've tried writing in italic, but it looks awful when you can't keep a consistent slant (even with guidelines) and I don't like it enough to put the practise in, really.

    I've been doing semi-Uncial now and then, like in my ink tests - I find that much easier to write as it is closer to my normal writing, which is fairly straight up and down and curved, and I think it still looks pretty good even when you aren't very consistent with it! I find it more immediately rewarding. Mine has probably drifted somewhat from what I started off copying, as I haven't checked my letter forms against anything for a while...
    At one point I drifted so far off from Foundational because I wasn't checking my letters against Edward Johnston's originals that it practically turned into a different hand! That would have been fine if it were sufficiently attractive, but next to Edward Johnston's hand my letters looked deformed.
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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
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    I really wish I could acquire a broad, italic, flex nib. Do they exist? Because that's what a quill gives - you have a bit of bounciness that lets you do, for instance, a really fat downstroke for 'f' and 's' in Bastarda. It's very difficult to do that with a regular italic nib.
    I am sure that someone like John Mottishaw or Mike Masuyama could craft an italic or stub nib for you with at least some flex to it.
    You don't need to go to that extent. I have several flex stub pens.

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    Okay, I've finally received the architect grind from FPNibs.com

    How it should be used is kind of eluding me.*

    Any advice welcome.



    *this assumes that there is a specific purpose to the grind of course.

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    I think trying to write differently and adopt a new hand, was part of why I found fountain pens tedious in earlier stages of life. Adopting, or attempting to adopt a set hand, is a level of conformity that I don't need in my life. If someone judges me for not sticking to a writing style, or not writing neatly or uniformly enough, that's really not the type of person I want in my life. That said, I can be wary of people who write "too neatly", as it might mean they value appearance more than substance, or a striving for validation, and I try to avoid shallow or intensely needy individuals wherever possible.

    I'm well aware of the irony of judging, but not liking being judged myself. Also, no offence intended to any neat writers on the forum. Just admitting to my own quirks.

    I now just write with my own evolved scrawl, irrespective of what anyone else might think of it, and the only changes that I might make is the size of my writing, to make best use of the italic effect on my normal handwriting. It can lend an unsightly scribble, a modicum of aesthetic interest with no additional effort or interruption of thought.

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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Okay, I've finally received the architect grind from FPNibs.com

    How it should be used is kind of eluding me.*

    Any advice welcome.



    *this assumes that there is a specific purpose to the grind of course.
    Itís really just to add flair to the writing of those who choose to print, especially in block caps. At least, thatís what Iíve always believed. For me at least it just makes a mess of my cursive


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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    That's what I am finding, it's not useful with cursive - although maybe if I'd had a medium grind instead of broad this would have been mitigated somewhat.

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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    That's what I am finding, it's not useful with cursive - although maybe if I'd had a medium grind instead of broad this would have been mitigated somewhat.
    Yup. that is why it is called an Architect grind. Think of blueprints and architect labeling. It looks really good for the print style of writing.
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    Although I did once pass an exam for technical drawing (38 years ago IIRC!), the labelling was block capitals but done in pencil. I don't ever recall looking at blueprints or architectural drawings. Anyway, that makes sense, cheers, and I have tried it and quite like the effect. Not entirely sure of the utility to me, although I suppose I could use it to do headings in my planner! Thanks for the pointers.

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    Default Re: Italic script - or not!

    Interesting comparison of architect and italic nibs. (No affiliation, etc.)


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    Good find! And it helps that Salman is an actual calligrapher who can thus show these grinds to their best effect.

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    Nice video, I was not aware that Salman has a YouTube channel and is into nib grinding.

    I remember him from the Calligraphy forum years ago on FPN.

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    The script still needs a lot of work (as does the photography - particularly regarding lighting)

    The image also shows how big this pen is, as the note book is an A5 Rhodia.

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