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    Just as a quick aside . . .

    Dr. Franz-Josef Jansen is a chemist by education and trade. I would be more likely to consider the DeA Document inks to be as he calls it a "nanosuspension of a particulate dye". It would seem to me that while the ink is "permanent" because the dye particles are immediately absorbed into the paper because of their extremely small size, that the nanosuspended dye particulates would remain suspended within the bottle, converter, etc. As a result, it would seem that the DeA Document Inks might be easier to clean from a converter than a pigmented ink. On the other hand, my concern would then be if the suspension liquid would be "strong" enough to hold the dye particulates from adhering to the nib and/or feed causing clogs. Truthfully, I have never used the DeA Document inks, but my experience with DeA inks - which has been exceptionally positive - would suggest that these inks would be trouble free.

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    Default Re: De Atramentis Document Ink

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPenfection View Post
    Just as a quick aside . . .

    Dr. Franz-Josef Jansen is a chemist by education and trade. I would be more likely to consider the DeA Document inks to be as he calls it a "nanosuspension of a particulate dye". It would seem to me that while the ink is "permanent" because the dye particles are immediately absorbed into the paper because of their extremely small size, that the nanosuspended dye particulates would remain suspended within the bottle, converter, etc. As a result, it would seem that the DeA Document Inks might be easier to clean from a converter than a pigmented ink. On the other hand, my concern would then be if the suspension liquid would be "strong" enough to hold the dye particulates from adhering to the nib and/or feed causing clogs. Truthfully, I have never used the DeA Document inks, but my experience with DeA inks - which has been exceptionally positive - would suggest that these inks would be trouble free.
    De Atramentis Document inks are what people commonly call "pigment" inks. They are particles in suspension. Dyes commonly used for regular or un-pigmented inks aren't suspensions of particulate dyes.
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    My daughter has been using Document Violet in a Metropolitan for many months. Cleaning out even after drying out isn't a big deal with water.

    However I notice there are a couple of stubborn residue deposits on the sides of the feed which won't affect operation.

    After disassembling and cleaning the pen, I saw no other traces of the ink anywhere. I don't think disassembly was strictly necessary,i just wanted to be sure.

    I've attempted mixing Document Black and Violet to get a violet-black similar to Diamine Damson. After sitting in the pen for a few days it now looks pure black even when I look really closely. I don't know what happened there so I will need to do some more experimenting.

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    Default Re: De Atramentis Document Ink

    for all of you who are into mixing inks, specifically DeA Docu inks:
    https://janeblundellart.blogspot.com...ocument%20inks

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    Quote Originally Posted by inklord View Post
    for all of you who are into mixing inks, specifically DeA Docu inks:
    https://janeblundellart.blogspot.com...ocument%20inks
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    I use DeA doc inks all the time. They are great in almost every aspect. I just wish they didn't look as matte compared to the luster of some other inks. As for maintenence, they are super easy. If you flip an ink sample vial or a cc over the inks flows down the walls and there is no deposit whatsoever. Unless the inside of a piston is different, I can't imagine it would be any trouble to maintain at all. This was not the case with noodler's Kung te Chang, R&K Doc light blue, Noodle Liberty's Elysium, and Monteverde Doc Blue all of which had ink stuck to sides of sample vials even when not moved for days. Diamine Sapphire (although not waterproof) has permanently stained my cc and it is ironically not waterproof.

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    If using pigmented ink causes you that much concern, why not consider a modern IG? Waterproof and they won’t clog your feed.

    I’ve found that R&K Salix and KWZ IG Blue #1, despite going down blue, both dry to the same shade of grey. Salix in particular seems to shade very well.


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    Ooops. Discovered the hard way that it smears like a gossip columnist when you use highlighter on it. Dang. Who'd a thunk it?
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