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    Default Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Can anyone here please tell me how rare a Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen is ( Converter / Cartridge )

    The current value ?
    What you may pay to buy one.


    The only information that I have is they made at Arrow Park.
    Am aware of what is written about them on Parker 51.com et al

    The production dates vary alot.

    Somewhere between 1958 and 1963

    They would appear to have been made in 5 colours. ( I have only seen 2 of these pens, one black, the other Midnight Blue )

    Foolishly I once had one and sold it – the offer from another collector was vastly more than the price I bought it for.

    Any comments would be appreciated, particularly if you actually own one.

    The photography shown is of the pen I used to own, the second one is a net lift
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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Hi proteus,
    I don't have any new information for you, regarding the Parker 51cc but here are pictures of three I currently own.

    p51cc1.JPG

    p51cc2.JPG

    p51cc3.JPG


    Paul.

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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Paul

    Sir,

    A Great Many Thanks for posting your photography of some very rare pens.
    ( On a personal note, you have added another dimension to this forum for me, it is greatly appreciated )


    There is no photography anywhere of the Forest Green version.

    My file notes show a 1958/59 batch run at Arrow Park.

    5 Colours only

    Black ( Parker Colour Code 11 )
    Burgundy ( Colour Code 14 )
    Teal Blue ( Colour Code 26)
    Midnight Blue ( Colour Code 15 )
    Forest Green ( Colour Code 12 )



    Have a couple of questions please.

    Can you confirm that ‘ Made in USA ‘ is printed on the nib ( no date mark ), cap band and converter.

    Do any have the original chalk marks ?

    What value would you place on each pen ?

    I am not attempting to buy one.

    Thank You.


    nb - There is a Parker collector here who lives in the Alps, thought he would wish to comment ( Has an outstanding collection of P51 MkIII's )
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    Paul

    Sir,

    A Great Many Thanks for posting your photography of some very rare pens.
    ( On a personal note, you have added another dimension to this forum for me, it is greatly appreciated.
    Thank you, it's nice to be appreciated.

    There is no photography anywhere of the Forest Green version.
    Parker 51.com shows a Forest Green with gold filled cap, on the web site, same page as the (net lift) pic you show above.

    My file notes show a 1958/59 batch run at Arrow Park.

    5 Colours only

    Black ( Parker Colour Code 11 )
    Burgundy ( Colour Code 14 )
    Teal Blue ( Colour Code 26)
    Midnight Blue ( Colour Code 15 )
    Forest Green ( Colour Code 12 )
    Is that not a navy grey pen you show in the "net lift" picture (second from left)?

    Have a couple of questions please.

    Can you confirm that ‘ Made in USA ‘ is printed on the nib ( no date mark ), cap band and converter.
    Yes I can, on one nib (Forest Green), it's the only one that I have removed to clean, I presume the other two are the same,
    they are in near mint condition and will be staying in one piece while in my possession.

    P51cc nib.jpg

    All cap bands and converters are marked ‘Made in USA‘
    P51cc capband.jpg

    Unusually all the cap jewels are different (as found). One looks to be standard P 51, one is opaque grey, while the third is black.
    Two of the caps have the 4 finger clutch, the other (black jewel cap) has a (short) 5 hole basket clutch.

    P51cc cap.jpg


    Do any have the original chalk marks ?
    Yes, the Burgundy has the 4 diamonds on the barrel (quite feint).
    P51cc diamond.jpg

    What value would you place on each pen ?
    Don't know, value varies with interest and presentation quality of sellers advertisement.
    Last one I saw on ebay went for about £180.


    I am not attempting to buy one.

    Thank You.
    You're welcome.
    Paul.
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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    What remarkable photography.

    I thought I was half good, your photography is the next level – it is very impressive.


    As for the colours produced, of course, you are correct, there are 6 known ( that was my mistake ).

    I have never seen a Parker standard production 51 with a black jewel before.

    The nib shown was what I was expecting – it is a standard post 1960 USA.

    Newhaven continued to print their P51 nibs until 1963 ( I have one )


    As you have a lot of rare Parkers, you may wish to display some P61’s ( my passion ) or others that you have – P51 Mk III’s et al.

    I still await others comments ( I know that there are at least 2 others here who know a lot about these pens )

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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Such cool pens. I inked up my aerometric recently. I had no idea there were c/c versions. I may have to go on a quest for one.

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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Some more photography of these pens.

    I think they were sold in the UK as well.


    1. From the Janesville archive - the pen.
    2. An advertisement for this pen ( believed to be 1960/1. )
    3 NOS Midnight Blue pen ( the cap jewel is white pearl )
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    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    Such cool pens. I inked up my aerometric recently. I had no idea there were c/c versions. I may have to go on a quest for one.
    There is also a third party adapter that can be used to change an aerometric to a c/c pen.

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    carlos.q

    Many thanks for your reply.

    Do you have a photograph of the adapter that you have mentioned.

    Or a link ( name ) of a supplier / seller

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
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    Many thanks for your reply.

    Do you have a photograph of the adapter that you have mentioned.

    Or a link ( name ) of a supplier / seller
    Check this page, about halfway down:
    https://pentooling.com/partsparker51.html

    I recently bought one of these adapters but I have yet to convert a P51 to c/c.

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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post

    Check this page, about halfway down:
    https://pentooling.com/partsparker51.html

    I recently bought one of these adapters but I have yet to convert a P51 to c/c.
    That looks really interesting. Thanks carlos.q
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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Have have a chance to look at this conversion, another pen collector's pen.

    Sorry, just looks to primitive for me.




    There were at least 7 colours of these pens, not the usual 6 everyone mentions.

    There is a Dark Burgundy aka American Brown



    The sale release date appears to be late 1961.
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    The conversion on Pentooling clearly shows the replacement connector is brass. ITEM #CART51CONV:
    I'm tempted to buy one while I'm there.
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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    Chrissy, Thanks for your reply ( as always )

    I would be very interested to hear what you think of connector given your expertise at actually using pens to write with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    Chrissy, Thanks for your reply ( as always )

    I would be very interested to hear what you think of connector given your expertise at actually using pens to write with.
    I currently don't have a Parker 51 in my collection. I never used the one I had, so I sold it to someone who wanted one. My main problem with the 51 is changing ink colours and being able to really clean out the pen effectively before doing so. The aerometric converter only does so much and takes a while. At least I could remove a twist action converter and use my "ear bulb" to flush the section before I refilled with fresh ink. This appeals to me.
    If I saw a parker 51 C/C that I could afford to buy, then that would be a good option. However, I've never seen one.
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    Default Re: Parker 51 C/C Fountain Pen

    chrissy,

    I read your comments about a standard P51, it would not suit your needs like a Sonnet or most post 1994 Parker pens.


    pajaro,

    I enjoyed reading your excellent post of the P51 conversion, thank you.


    Possibly unlike both of you my entire focus is collecting rare Parker pens, none of which I will actually use myself. ( I am sure both of you will think that is quite sad but it is just the way of a collector )

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    Thanks for that pajaro. An interesting read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    chrissy,

    I read your comments about a standard P51, it would not suit your needs like a Sonnet or most post 1994 Parker pens.


    pajaro,

    I enjoyed reading your excellent post of the P51 conversion, thank you.


    Possibly unlike both of you my entire focus is collecting rare Parker pens, none of which I will actually use myself. ( I am sure both of you will think that is quite sad but it is just the way of a collector )

    I'm no fan of standard Parker 51 pens. Buying a connector appeals, but I'm still uncertain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteus View Post
    chrissy,

    I read your comments about a standard P51, it would not suit your needs like a Sonnet or most post 1994 Parker pens.


    pajaro,

    I enjoyed reading your excellent post of the P51 conversion, thank you.


    Possibly unlike both of you my entire focus is collecting rare Parker pens, none of which I will actually use myself. ( I am sure both of you will think that is quite sad but it is just the way of a collector )

    I think this is quite interesting and admirable. I only use my first Parker 51 and a couple of the Sonnets with Italic nibs. The rest of them I just have left as a hoard. If I had the money I would collect the rarer 51s and the Lacque Sonnets.

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