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    Default Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Hi all,

    New to this forum, thank you in advance for any advice.

    I'm looking for help trying to identify this vintage Sheaffer Oversized black fountain pen. I've been able to find some close examples online, but not 100% positive what the exact model is called.

    It is lever filled, has Sheaffer on the ball-end clip, the cap has a double gold band, the top of the cap has a white dot, and the NIB is marked Lifetime with patent numbers, but no other info. It is about 5 1/4" inches long with the cap in place.

    One example I found, that does look exactly like this, described it as a "Oversize LIFETIME SENIOR Flat Top". I couldn't find much information on that. The other that I found, which is close, but not quite mine is for the SHEAFFER CONNAISSEUR, but it has more gold bands than mine, and mine doesn't look that nice .

    Any ideas on what the model and age is of this pen? Any help gratefully appreciated.

    Thank you,

    Mark

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Hi Jibster, in the summer of 1928 Parker incorporated the double ring on their Duofold caps which also made Sheaffer in their 1928 catalog in his most economical line but not in Lifetimes. Interestingly there aren't, at least I don´t know, Sheaffer'S ads nor catalogs with Lifetime-two ring caps... although, of course, in the market we will see Lifetime of two rings in cap like yours. Yours pen is a Lifetime oversize long holder jet black, flat top too if you want differentiate it from Balances (but I would not call it "Senior" that fits more with Parker pens and not with Sheaffer´S), and the similar model with a single ring was designated as 8C (we would have to wait a few more years for Sheaffer´S to start giving to their manufactured a proper name).



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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Thank you Ramon, very helpful and very much appreciated. That definitely looks like my pen in the picture there.

    A couple of follow up questions, would you say that the pen is then circa 1928? Or that is just the year they started production? Also, any information on the white dot on the top of the cap? I don't see one in the photo, does it reference anything in particular?

    Thank you so much!!

    Mark

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Hi, you´re welcome; if you look closely at the second picture that I have contributed from the catalog, the Sheaffer Lifetimes does have White Dot on top of the cap same as your fountain pen. The White Dot was in these years the logo or graphic representation of Sheaffer's Lifetime guarantee and there are a lot of information about WD on the internet. Finally, 1928 was the year that these double ring caps began to appear, if you want to fence approximate the period in which it could had been manufactured, it would be useful for me that you upload a photo with a foreground of the lever and its surroundings (I would need to see if the lever is fixed by a small transverse pin or not).
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jibster View Post
    Also, any information on the white dot on the top of the cap? I don't see one in the photo, does it reference anything in particular?
    A good overview of the history of the Sheaffer White Dot.
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    Your cap is from the late 1920s, and the body is from the 1930s; it might have been a replacement under the Lifetime guarantee.

    We don't need to see the lever pivot; the barrel imprint is even later than the snap-ring lever attachment.

    The first Lifetime pens didn't have a lifetime guarantee; that was just a name Sheaffer gave to convey the image of a durable pen. The guarantee was added later, and the White Dot, which was first used on jade green pens, was added later still.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Oversized Fountain Pen ID Help? Lifetime?

    P.S. Sheaffer only briefly advertised square end Lifetime pens with double cap bands, for some reason.

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